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Saturday, December 17, 2011

The Big Picture for the Week of December 18, 2011

A reader asks;

Will you comment a little further on deflation, disinflation and inflation? With gold on a slide, the euro approaching parity, world deleveraging, and the US consumer only shopping the "blue light specials" - seems that the economic climate is vastly more complicated than ever before and deflation may be taking hold.


My conclusions here are not very dramatic, no need to load up on whiskey, gun powder, jerky, ivory soap, cans of tuna or, to add a new one to this joke, bacon (see the picture).

The back drop seems to be increasing extremes of long standing patterns. For example we have deflation in asset prices which is the bad kind of deflation. In certain countries and certain sectors here we have what looks to me like a debt deflation which would be very bad depending on how far it ends up going. We have creative destruction in certain consumer goods (we just bought a DVD player at Walmart for $39) which is a good deflation.

As far as inflation, for many years we enjoyed a little inflation (for the most part) which it turns out is a good thing. People have been grappling with serious inflation with education and healthcare costs for quite a while and while I am not sure that it is getting worse it is not improving. I have a post every November griping about how much our health insurance is going up for the next year.

The price of propane to heat our house has gone up a lot but it has been lumpy; one year was a massive increase and it has been the same for the last couple of years (maybe this is because of how they positioned in the market?). Gas at the pump is up a lot over the last few years but it moves up and down such that sometimes we benefit and sometimes we get hit. I know people talk about the cost of groceries and produce having gone up but candidly I am not sensitive to this other than I know blackberries at Costco have gone way up.

The push pull here leads to the search for the right term for the situation. Someone will make a fortune for coining the right term ala stagflation back in the 1970s. Seriously, the push pull is part of the complicated times we live in idea in the reader's question.

One reader noted that now may not be so complicated, he noted what was going on in the 1970s versus now. A point of differentiation between now and the 1970s is the threats that sovereigns are facing. Perhaps that does make things more complicated, perhaps not, that seems like a subjective thing and this part of the conversation opens us up to a discussion of recency bias.

To the question of gold, I don't think is broken in terms of how it should behave but during short stretches I think anything goes. If we have meaningful price inflation for some period of time and/or dollar devaluation then I think gold would do what people would expect but it may not do so with the magnitude that people would hope for; I have to wonder whether the move up in gold over the last ten years was some sort of pricing in of what might be coming.

As for the euro story, it strikes me as a story of relativity in terms of looking at the EURUSD obviously if the euro stays the euro and it goes down then it will provide some consumer benefit for various goods but not for healthcare, education or most items from the grocery store and so I don't think will have a huge an obvious benefit to most Americans.

Lastly as far as deleveraging; it needs to happen. I don't know how painful it will be but I tend to believe that tearing off the band aid is the better way to go. I believe that had we done the hard thing a few years ago we would at this point understand what the end will look like along the lines of Iceland's improvements. At this point, we have not done the difficult things and we have absolutely no idea what the resolution will look like (mostly we just have guesses and opinions about what should be done, not what will be done).

My conclusions have been the same for quite a while which is that GDP growth will be sub-standard but positive. Equity market growth will be sub-standard but positive. Price inflation will be higher than what we have been accustomed to (as measured by CPI) but not ruinous. I still believe yields should go up and be a little higher than what is comfortable but not be ruinous either.

The idea behind the not ruinous meme is that the US is still the richest country (not per capita of course), is still just about everyone's largest customer, is still at the epicenter of the vast majority of global comings and goings all of which adds up to the world having a vested interest in our getting by. Getting by is not the same thing as being wildly prosperous as a country but more like still being a viable customer who is generally able to function. Hence my comments in past posts about slogging through while other countries do prosper wildly.

About the picture, Joellyn saw that at the store, went back to buy it but they were out so she special ordered it. It is Rogue Brewery and Voodoo Doughnuts which of course are both from Oregon. As an amusing note, Rogue was one of my nicknames in college. Even more amusing, a couple of weeks ago I watched the last half an hour of a show on the Travel Channel about doughnut shops. I saw enough of the show to see four shops profiled and we've been to two of them; Voodoo in Portland and Top Pot Doughnuts in Seattle.

8 comments:

Anonymous said...

I would like to suggest that complexity is actually down as the euro has replaced a lot of moving parts (franc, mark, drachma, etc.). I think what has changed is that the environment is different. We aren't accustomed to asset deflation. As the Japanese and now the U.S. have tried to circumvent the natural workings of their chosen economic systems, the cycles have been stretched out. This keeps things from getting "really bad", but prevents the "cleansing" that allows for the economy to get "really good". If the ECB does not become the lender of last resort, we may see this same type of scenario in Europe as public funds are used to "stretch out" the private bank failures. I think gold has been played as a bet against the dollar. The funding currency of choice has been either the euro or yen. With the euro tanking this week, gold followed suit, implying some correlation.

Anonymous said...

Roger, you might consider checking out Mighty O donuts in Seattle the next time you are out here. It's a small shop that actually bested Top Pot in a taste test on the Food Network earlier this year.

Thanks for all of your thoughts. They've been helpful to me as I start to build a savings account after spending the last 15 years in school/training.

Anonymous said...

Pretty darn good post today Roger!

If I could add one little piece of personal food for thought. Two years ago, I shut off the TV. I get my news now for the most part through the established weekly/monthly periodicals that go into depth rather than engage in sound bites. I believe I am a better person for making this move and I know I am a better investor which is what this is really all about.

RW said...

Good post. With the exception of health and education costs virtually all the inflation people experience is driven by commodity shocks so it's not surprising the experience is volatile; e.g., I ran an analysis on my year-over-year family food costs for the past six years to smooth things out and they were essentially flat, less than 5% total over the whole period for all goods.

As long as real labor costs remain deflationary as they have for some time there will be no sustainable general inflation overall.

That's a good thing for consumers of labor-intensive goods but a bad thing for economic growth and for many households because deleveraging is more difficult; i.e., debt becomes cheaper during inflation (which is why holders of debt hate it).

I'm still in the muddle-through camp and believe the ECB is playing an end-around to mask the swap support they are offering each country's banks (directly interestingly enough, not via each country's central bank). If this goes the way I think it will go, banks in each country will own much more of their own country's debt which, among other things, would make a transition out of the Euro less painful.

Interesting times.

Paul said...

Thank you Roger for looking at this, I always appreciate your perspective - though since we tend to agree more times than not, I suspect my appreciation has a little confirmation bias tied into it!

Despite an opinion or two of a decline in complexity, the evidence is pointing in the other direction. As Anon 1:01 pointed out, most inflation is due to commodity shocks, not an overabundance of paper money in the system. The big swings in "creative destruction" coupled with deleveraging has created a very interesting environment unlike our historical past.

Though anecdotal, I personally know a farmer, who enjoys posting on Facebook his daily updates of his farm, who recently stated he has more debt than ever before, works more hours than ever before, and yet nets less to his bottom line than ever before. He is now forced to watch commodity pricing in South America, Russia, and China while maintaining his highly complex equipment, and finding some balance in his family life. As a result, he manages commodity futures, technology shifts, GMO databases, plus all of his normal ag related functions. Clearly, this is vastly more complex than ever before!

Take the farmer issue and spread over multiple industries and you will find our mosaic of an economy in a state of flux. Sprinkle in a little sovereign debt crisis and lack of leadership along with capital market system that seems to lack integrity and it is no wonder that main street investors are allowing cash to pile up with no plans to return.

2012 will be fascinating...I agree that we will see a volatility spike complete with huge gains and retreats, however, I believe this will happen multiple times in the next year. If the Mayan calendar doesn't take us out, heart failure may be the cause!

Thanks for all you do Roger to keep perspective. Hope you and your readers have a great holiday season!

Roger Nusbaum said...

thanks Paul.

The farmer anecdote is interesting. One of the ETF providers filed for an ETN that will play the arbitrage between soybeans from Paraguay and soybeans from Argentina. Ahem.

Noah Hamman said...

why doesn't anyone want to know why you were called Rogue in college??

Roger Nusbaum said...

sorry to disappoint, no story or otherwise embarrassing moment that lead to Rogue. It pertained to volleyball. We played a lot of beach ball, we had a sand court at the fraternity and I was pretty good at dinking it around the block and someone just blurted out Rogue...

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