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Thursday, November 03, 2011

Replacement Rate; Hokum and Hooey

The WSJ's Total Return Blog shared some of the conclusion about magic retirement numbers from a report by the Boston College Center for Retirement Research. The key takeaway from the WSJ's viewpoint was people need 80% of their preretirement income and that socking away that much requires an 18% savings rate assuming 4% total annual return (there were other assumptions behind the numbers).

I like the idea of a very conservative estimated return but beyond that I think the entire framing is incorrect. As we've gone over quite a few times before, the thing that matters is expenses not income. Taking this perspective allows for more control in terms of planning to reduce expenses and hopefully being being less susceptible to the vagaries of the market.

If global stock markets generally do not double in the next 7.2 years (rule of 72) then it is probably not realistic to expect your portfolio to double in that time.

Some expenses have reasonable visibility like utilities and so could be cut if needed. For example we have two phone lines, a very robust programming package from Directv and we have two smart phones. We could literally cut those expenses in half if we needed to.

Some expenses may not have great visibility like various insurances, home heating costs, groceries and prescriptions. We talked about health insurance the other day and maybe we should count on 15% increases per year? There is obviously volatility in heating but sometimes that might work in the favor of consumers. With some coupon diligence grocery expense can be helped a little and prescriptions; some may go down for going generic and some may go up for who knows what reason.

Then there are one-offs like home repairs, car repairs, vet bills and all the other things like this I've brought up in the past. Add to this list for some people is adult children moving back in due to their own hardship. Someone we know up here had their 40-ish year old son move back in. This could be a net gain if the son pays rent but depending on the situation it could also be a net expense of course.

This also leads to a conversation about living in less house than you can afford, driving less car than you can afford and holding on to that vehicle a little longer and when you make discretionary purchases not doing so on credit (other than a rewards card you pay off immediately).

Over the years I have tried to convey that there are many expenses that come out of nowhere and this seems to be corroborated by reader input. To me this places the emphasis on reducing expenses that can be controlled (somewhat).

If you live a $90,000 lifestyle because your gross income is $140,000 then by using the BC report as a guide your portfolio needs to be $1.2 million to maintain the lifestyle. I get there by taking 80% of the $90,000 which is $72,000, I subtract $24,000 from that for social security (which might not be a correct figure) to get $48,000 and then divide by 0.04 to use the 4% rule.

Fill in your own numbers and decide whether you want to plan on social security (despite the above I don't plan on getting it). What number do you need? Where are you now? How much time do have to make up the difference (by both growth and additional savings)? Do you even want to retire?

Maybe you can save the 18% but what if you can't or what if a 4% total return is actually unrealistic (that would certainly be brutal)? Based on what we know about savings rates and 401k balances saving 18% seems very unrealistic for the general public and even then 18% may not be enough.

If, I say if, 18% is unrealistic yet that is the required savings rate then conceivably this invalidates the entire concept of a magic number. I contend that getting expenses down is a bigger priority because it is more within peoples control. Further, whatever your magic number supposedly is, it has no meaning when you actually retire. Whatever you have on that day is what has meaning. If it is not "enough" then you have adapt one way or the other.

I am all for saving as much as possible but the idea of a magic number is on shaky ground because even if you do get that number something could go wrong and derail the plan. It boils down to save more, spend less and I will add be ready to adapt.

21 comments:

Anonymous said...

18% is NOT unrealistic.

ANY responsible person can save 18%.

There are very, very few responsible people.

As far as a magic number I am for it with all of its warts as having a goal and a plan is something I find very useful

Stephen Drone said...

I would disagree. If you're an actual middle class family with middle class income and the usual 2 kids, then 18% probably IS unrealistic in 2011. sure, inflation is really low the last couple of decades but the cost of the big 4 (as some blog put it, can't remember which one) - housing, gas, education, food - has gone nowhere but up.

And let's not forget healthcare. It's annual enrollment time and my insurance costs are going up over 20% this year.

Anonymous said...

I agree with Stephen's disagreement.

Anonymous said...

A lot depends on where you live. Here in small town Iowa housing is very reasonable, food too.

Anonymous said...

I can't say I disagree on most of what is said here but am disappointed that there isn't a greater emphasis on earnings. As an example, my life is pretty well over so can reflect on the journey pretty well. All my life, I concentrated on earnings and less on expenses. Increasing earnings was the goal and that included taking calculated risk, continuing education, job advancement and ever being on the alert for opportunity. I put particular emphasis on work I enjoyed so even though long hours were involved, it was enjoyable. Yes, I watched expenses but the overriding emphasis was on revenue.

reiredinprescott said...

I disagree with 7:23 anonymous. I spent my entire working life controlling expenses and not living to work. I had a good white collar job but I did not enjoy most of it. Instead I used it as a means to an end. I never worried about promotions or kissing butt. Rather, I took control and responsibility for my own life and I self retired at age 52. I live a great life here in Prescott by following Roger's mantra of living below your means. That doesn't mean living sparsely, just living wisely.
You only go around once so take responsibility for your own actions and outcomes.

r said...

I apologize, I meant to say I disagree with anonymous 8:00AM who concentrates on earnings rather than expenses.

Anonymous said...

Re: R said: What a waste to have a job all your life that you did not enjoy.

Stephen Drone said...

well, if you work to live, then do you care what your job is?

I've always found the 80% number interesting. if I'm saving 18% now, that means I'm living on 82% now, so why in the world would I need 80% to live on after I retire? There are just so many variables here I feel like I'm just making a guess.

Anonymous said...

Anon 6:29 here

There is another middle class family in your town with kids that earns 20% less than you and they get along just fine. If they can make a living on 20% less than you then if you are RESPONSIBLE as opposed to making excuses for spending all your income, then you can save 18% of your income and still have 2% extra.

Roger is right - live below your means. Do not make excuses as I have had the same problems and expenses you have had.

Anonymous said...

We all have different preferences for careers and these choices have different probabilities for income. Yet all jobs have certain things in common and some are positive, some are negative. But some of us find enjoyable and lucrative careers, while others cannot. We are required to make some critical decisions about our path in life early on and stick with them: hopping from one field to the next might result in ultimate fulfillment, but would usually lose out financially given retraining and churning on entry level.

Meanwhile things that most people enjoy tend not to be lucrative for all. And at the same time, really getting ahead in your career can be an all-consuming choice with negatives (stress, commutes, long hours) that take away from leisure time. High achievement and enjoyment are a rare combination and obviously only possible for high-achievers. Some have this and some don't.

Anonymous said...

we seem to have two points of view here.

German responsible industrious savers

Greek lets borrow and spend and forget about saving until the end. Then we can always demand money from the germans who saved all their lives

RW said...

Folks need to watch out for over-simplifications, stereotypes and false dichotomies. Too many so-called news organizations, pundits and politicians like to promote that kind of sloppy, bumper-sticker thinking because it makes it easier to sell snake oil but economics is not a morality play and the problems Europe is experiencing are not straightforward.

For example, one of the main reasons Germany is in such good shape is because they pursued wage, industrial and export policies that maintained a favorable balance of trade with most of the other EU members while many Germans took advantage of the higher interest rates in those other EU countries by investing in their bonds and stocks.

Net capital outflows from Germany (and a few other countries) made the higher-interest countries flush with cash and bubbles started to form; e.g., Spain and Ireland, which had government budget surpluses before the crisis, and Italy and Greece which did not. Greece is a tiny economy and would be no problem at all except for the fear of contagion and the self-fulfilling bank run on these larger economies that could result.

Folks who still yearn for a bumper sticker would do better to think of it this way: The Euro was an experiment in a return to the gold standard; this is what can happen to countries who no longer control their own currency.

SD: The "Big 4" is housing, insurance, transportation and education. Food (and other commodities) fluctuate a lot so they get noticed but tend to return to a much flatter (inflation adjusted) trend than any of the Big 4.

RW said...

Meant to write real estate at the front of that investment list: It was a much bigger bubble than financial assets such as bonds and stocks.

Anonymous said...

RW,

The half you said is true.

But have you been to greece? The half you did not say is they regularly have multiple strikes every week in athens form many decades even when times are good and there is no crisis.

Many people have government jobs where they do NO work and get lucrative retirement and benefits. I have been there it has been a disaster waiting to happen for decades.

RW said...

No quarrel with a negative view of Greek governance -- even if that view is somewhat overdone, adjectives such as profligate, nepotistic, inefficient, etc still fit well enough -- but that is not the stick of dynamite, just one of several fuses and, unfortunately for Europe, not the main fuse either.

NB: The spread between German bonds and the bonds of Spain and Italy have been widening for months. Northern banks (German, British, Belgian, etc) are on the hook heavy and if the current trend continues neither Spain nor Italy will be able to successfully roll over debt; don't like to think about what happens next even if I am prepared for the possibility from an investing standpoint.

From that same perspective a moral focus is just another distraction. YMMD

Anonymous said...

RW,

I do not think you have ever spent any significant time in greece. It is much much worse than you think.

corruption, cheating on taxes rampant, falsifying injuries for retirement, etc. these things are rampant

Stephen Drone said...

Yes, Greece is a mess. No, that's not necessarily the biggest cause of their current problem.

No, Roger's post today is not about Greece.

reiredinprescott said...

"Anonymous said...
RW,
I do not think you have ever spent any significant time in greece. It is much much worse than you think.
corruption, cheating on taxes rampant, falsifying injuries for retirement, etc. these things are rampant

12:10 PM"

Are you sure you aren't talking about Chicago?

Anonymous said...

I continue to hate this market

my indicators still force me to stay invested. This could go a lot higher. We will see.

SEG

Anonymous said...

"Are you sure you aren't talking about Chicago?"

No not Chicago, but you are correct that Chicago has the same big government, socialist, corrupt, payoff the politician mind set.

Why do you think a big contributor like Solyndra went bankrupt with a failed plan? Obama is a prodigy of Chicago corruption and their normal practices.

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