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Tuesday, November 08, 2011

Odd & Ends

Felix Salmon revisited an idea from a few years ago whereby foreclosed homeowners are allowed to rent the house they used to own at whatever the prevailing rent market is for the respective area.

One positive of this would be that it would be less of a life disruption for families who actually live in the house that was foreclosed upon. Very few people like to move and any children affected would not have to change schools. Another positive is that the houses in question would not be destroyed or otherwise vandalized on the way out. We all know it has been very common for people to cause a lot of damage, steal copper and whatever else. This would not happen if the family was going to stay, it would simply be a change in the title and a change in the occupants' relationship with the house.

The obstacle here would seem to be how many instances that the now-renter would not be able to afford fair market rent. Obviously there was some sort of problem with the mortgage payment and rents are now generally high relative to mortgages so the idea may not be able to work (if ever gets implemented) for logistical reasons. Fortunately I can't relate to this but the idea is innovative and we could use more legitimate innovation.

Barry Ritholtz had an interesting post about the history of the four secular bear markets of the last 100 years. Based on the limited sample size Barry says that we are probably a little more than halfway through and precedent says the low from March 2009 will be the low and unlikely to be revisited although he does not advise anyone hang their hat on those observations.

Of particular interest was the extent to which the "roller coaster ride leaves investors psychologically exhausted." It is reasonable and obvious that investors would be exhausted or some other word like maybe impatient or frustrated. Equity markets will start "working" again (although some foreign markets never stopped working) but in the mean time focus on what is in your control; saving money, having the proper asset allocation and planning ahead for the next market freak out so that you don't freak out with it.

John Hussman had the following nugget this week;

In our view, investors should presently hold risky assets only in the amount they would be willing to hold through the duration of significant downturn, without abandoning them in the interim. For buy-and-hold investors, that amount may be exactly the same as they are holding at present, but the choice should be a conscious and deliberate one.


The focus for me is not whether he is correct about what awaits the market on whatever timeline he has in mind but what the comment says about asset allocation. An important building block for asset allocation is having some idea of what the portion of your portfolio that is in risk assets could do to your bottom line and your psyche in some sort of March 2009 decline.

For example you utilities and staples stocks are unlikely to go down as much as the market in a serious decline. However things like mining companies and many types of tech stocks probably will go down more than the market in a serious decline. There will be certain environments where junk bonds will get pasted. The point is not that these types of things should not be held but to understand their dynamics relative to the markets. If most of your holdings have the volatility characteristics of a small cap coal company then you will go down more than the market. If all of your holdings have the volatility characteristics of Proctor & Gamble (PG) then you will lag the rallies. A blend between the two extremes can be constructed such that the portfolio is generally predictable.

12 comments:

Anonymous said...

Salmon must like listening to himself. People just stop paying the note and live there free for a couple of years before foreclosure.

Ritholtz thinks the bottom is in, but will not hang his hat on it. He is just guessing and I fear he could be wrong, but I will not hang my hat on it :) - At least I know I am guessing.

I hate this market, so I guess I am emotionally fatigued. Thank goodness I just follow my market indicators.

Luckily it seems to take the market a year or two to recognize Hussman is correct sometimes.

SEG

Roger Nusbaum said...

you're half joking but it bears mentioning that discipline to some sort of indicator or strategy can reduce or avoid the consequence that can go along with being fatigued

Paul said...

The Salmon idea is good and assuming rents would be based on a marked-to-market pricing of the home and not the 40% (give or take 20%!) inflated price the mortgage is based upon.

I've read Ritholtz to say that he is "short-term" bullish and expects lots of choppiness for years to come. At least that is my confirmation bias read of his comments!

Anonymous said...

Paul,

two options

Default on your credit record and pay rent ($1k to $2k per month)?


Default on your credit record and live in the house free?

You still agree with Salmon?

SEG

Anonymous said...

Now I feel sorry for making a joke about ritholtz.

just listened to him on tom keene's show on bloomberg (one my favorites). Ritholts seemed to have a good handle on most issues.

I still do not know if we have seen bottom in the market, but I do think this bull will continue.

SEG

Anonymous said...

OT, but: Here's a video on ETFs: http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2011/11/the-story-of-etf-creation-and-redemption/

Ritholtz is kinda/sorta bullish. ... Psychologically exhausted from the markets? Well, that would explain why I get so many headaches

Hussman: The sky is going to fall and he's going to hold his breath until it does, by golly. (Disclosure: long his international and total return funds, so I can make fun of the guy.)

Housing: We paid off our mortgage so we're living in our home free. What a relief and a pleasure that is. ... Free, except for the endless maintenance, the insurance, the utilities, the taxes and the decline in value. Thank goodness it is autumn and the yard mowing has come to an end. Current national housing woes will take many years to resolve. But hey, live the American Dream!

BillM

Anonymous said...

Sorry about going off topic Roger but wanted to pass along: The dogs in Chicago let out a collective whoop last night when the Dog Killer got his due.

Anonymous said...

My experience dictates that being a landlord entails MUCH more than collecting rent.

The Salmon scheme would be a disaster - in more ways than one.

T

Stephen Drone said...

yeah, the interesting thing about these plans is that none of them touch on the landlord side of rentals - just the financial side. Maybe there's a new idea for a jobs bill. You created thousands upon thousands of maintenance jobs.

Mike C said...

I hate this market, so I guess I am emotionally fatigued. Thank goodness I just follow my market indicators.

SEG, just curious, what are your indicators for distinguishing between a "bull market correction" and the start of bear market decline? I'll admit you nailed summer 2010 and so far it is looking like maybe a repeat performance in 2011. Clearly, persistent trading below the 200 DMA isn't one of them.

Anonymous said...

Mike C

I look at lots of stuff as any one indicator can be misleading IMO. There is nothing magical about anyone indicator.

I look at the same stuff everyone else does like various interest rates, Fed policy, money supply measures, trends, and volatility in stock market indexes, volume, new highs and lows, advancing issues versus declining issues, levels of cash in mutual funds, extremely bullish or bearish sentiment, inflation, growth, corporate earnings, dividends, p/e ratios, and dividend yields.

Paul said...

@SEG - The tongue planted in cheek wasn't clear enough when I posted that the Salmon idea was "good"! I will clairify - not a chance in the world this will work, no one will agree on appropriate rents or home values. Plus, I completely overlooked the complexity of the landlord side of the equation as well.

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