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Thursday, October 06, 2011

The Game is Rigged?

One byproduct of conversations like the one yesterday about the Occupy Wall Street protests is the sentiment that the stock market is rigged, that the little guy does not have a chance, that the individual investor cannot possibly compete.

This raises a couple of questions that are worth exploring.

If the stock market is rigged, when did this start? It is pretty obvious that to the extent it is rigged, the stock market has always been rigged. There have always been cheaters of one kind or another. We know this because every so often there is news of a cheater who gets caught. I don't think it is too much of a reach to think that not all the cheaters end up getting caught. What percentage of the cheaters do you suppose get caught? My hunch is it is pretty low.

The extent to which anyone thinks the deck is stacked against the individual investor it is no more or less stacked than it has always been. Yes participants who do have the advantages (whatever they may be) have better technology than they used to but so does everyone, on a relative basis. However much blame should be placed on HFT or algos, there is no denying that HFTs and algos spend more on technology than you or I. The predecessors to HFTs and algos have always spent more to acquire their edge (or if you prefer, unfair or even illegal advantage) than you or I or people like us ever did.

Whoever comes after HFTs and algos will spend more than we will. Again, any of this maybe unfair, unethical or illegal, or not but this is not something new. I don't remember these types of complaints back in the 1990s when stocks were all whizzing higher but there is no question that if there have been people taking some sort of unfair advantage over the last ten years, there were people doing the exact same thing in the 1990s. Remembers SOES bandits?

Greed is not new to Wall Street.

If you can accept that greed and unfairness (or if you prefer illegality) are not new then you have always participated along side of it. How has this impacted you thus far? It is unlikely that any of us could quantify how we have been affected. It is possible we haven't been directly affected. You can assume you were affected but I don't think there is a way to know concretely that any specific trade you placed was adversely affected.

Consider the chart to the left. It is a ten year chart that tracks VFINX in blue, Deere (DE) in green, Altria (MO) in orange and Chevron (CVX) in yellow. Whatever the reality of unfairness or cheating over the last ten years it did not prevent holders of the aforementioned stocks from trouncing the S&P 500 while having better than "normal" decades. While it would have been better to pay a split adjusted $19.86 than $19.93 (to make up an example with actual prices of where the stock traded that day) for Deere ten years ago, a $0.07 difference for a long term hold really doesn't mean much. Obviously it would mean a lot for someone looking to trade the stock for an hour or two looking for $0.20 or $0.30.

Looking forward, the unfair advantages will evolve and continue to exist. This will not prevent some stocks from being huge winners, some countries from thriving or some themes from paying off big for investors.

Rigged or not, if you plan to retire then you probably need some piece of money to be able to generate an income stream to fund your retirement. The decision for forgo potential growth available in global equity markets for any reason is perfectly valid but there are tradeoffs. If your money grows at 2% instead of 6 or 7% (or any numbers you think are realistic) and you want to retire at some point then you probably need to save more, work longer, live a more modest lifestyle in retirement or any combination of the three.

I tend to believe in solving my own problems before trying to solve the world's problems. That line of thinking draws criticism but I think the country would be better off if a larger portion of the population did this.

A quick comment on the passing of Steve Jobs; actually more like comments from other people. Jason Raznick from Benzinga tweeted "Jobs died at 56. Who in the world has accomplished so much in so little time?" Brian Sullivan from CNBC tweeted "There is no single device that brought me more joy than the ipod. Thank you, Steve Jobs, for bringing so much music to us all." Finally ETF Trends quoting Jobs who once said "Your time is limited so don't waste it living someone else's life."

And just to lighten the mood a little, I give you what is possibly the funniest picture ever posted on Facebook as captured by John Ramsay.

14 comments:

Anonymous said...

Roger I think Occupy wall street got wall street concerned- they ordered Obama to on TV and calm the masses- TV adress scheduled for 11 AM today.

Anonymous said...

Your point about resolving one's own problems before worrying about the world is a great one.

Statists would disagree, methinks.

T

Anonymous said...

More rigged than illegal.
But the biggest part of the rigged part is that the market is rigged against human emotions.

SEG

Anonymous said...

The chart seems to indicate long term investing goals seem to work. Short term traders don't have a prayer and should be called gamblers.

The picture is just too funny for words! Thanks for including.

Paul said...

My $0.02...

This is a "red pill/blue pill" moment for investors. We can choose blue and continue to soldier through an economic downturn keeping a blind to the rigged game before us. If you choose the red pill, what do you do about it? Seems that more and more are choosing red and leave public capital markets completely.

charlie said...

Is there a solution, right or left, for the hungry child taking "personal responsibility" for their drug addict parent? And the genuinely insane? Just asking?

Anonymous said...

The market is not rigged. What is rigged is the BS that is put out by the financial sales community that you can have good returns without volatility. Expectations are then elevated. and when we hit the air pocket of fear, people and their advisors freak out and start selling.

Let's stop talking about short term alpha, and start thinking about long term planning.

Roger Nusbaum said...

our ISP is down and commenting through my phone is a hassle. I'm at Yavapai College to try to catch up.

8:06, that is the point of the chart.

Charlie, nothing new about those issues. There have always been bad parents.

10:56, there are plenty of people who do get "good" (very vague word you chose) with relatively low volatility which cause others to want to learn more to see if they can do it. Agreed that not every one can.

Anonymous said...

good returns with low volatility were what attracted people to Madoff.

Superior long term returns come with volatility.

Run for your life if anybody says otherwise.

Anonymous said...

Roger
Perhaps you can answer this for me.
Are HFT paying short-term cap gains on their trades?

Also, the elimination of rules such as the "uptick" rule have made those with enough capital able to drive a stock down in an inordinate time period.

ETF's have made stocks trade like commodities with more speculation.

Double and triple reverse ETF's....who the hell approved their use???

Anonymous said...

Roger,

Good post recently

WAy way past happy hour today (bad day)

HOW do you determine market bottoms?

I know a VERY unfair question.

Still any criteria on how you determine market bottoms would be useful.

I ask because while I disagree with you a lot I respect you a lot (btw I disagree with me a lot so do not feel bad :)

I still view the recent low as a buy and hope I do not have to regret that position.

SEG

David Merkel said...

Hi Roger,

I tend to think that more cheaters get caught then not because of double-entry bookkeeping, book royalties, and offended accomplices. At least for the big stuff...

David

Declan Fallon said...

The longer the planned investment timeframe the smaller the influence algo trading will have on returns.

Unfortunately, 'flash crash' events will always be there to throw spanners in the works, but at least with a long term outlook time can be bought to see oneself past these events.

However, 'flash crashes' are likely to become ever more common as new algorithms look to play HFTs against themselves.

Declan

Anonymous said...

Hmmm

You left out several key changes to the wall street "game" First was the creation and implementation of dark pools. And second the implementation of computerized trading on a massive scale. To the extent that on many days 80% of the total shares traded on the NYSE were automated. Retail investors have had NO "relative" advances to counter these 2 weapons. So I believe you article is vastly misleading. In point of fact technology and a Corrupt Congress has handed Wall Street such an over whelming advantage that the likes of Goldman Sachs routinely go an entire quarter without a trading loss. In a truly random market this would be statistically impossible.

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