There are two things at work here. The first and perhaps less interesting is that people need to save money and get some sort of return on that money. Stocks have usually provided an adequate and competitive return versus other types of investments but that has been put to the test over the last eleven years. If equities offer something akin to a normal return over the some lengthy time period relevant to you, even if this continues to mean more foreign exposure, then less equity exposure will simply require saving more to have a chance of having enough when you need it.
Probably not surprising, I think there is an argument in here for narrower exposure in the equity portfolio. If US equities continue to do relatively poorly along with Western Europe and Japan then investors will need to own other countries. If the financial crisis has lingering effects that last for years (as I think will be the case) then investors (those preferring not to use individual stocks) will need to seek out funds that are not heavy in financials. For that matter how long will the tech wreck continue to plague big technology companies?To the extent this logic makes sense then that leaves country, thematic and sector funds to build the portfolio--for people willing and able to spend the time.
The more interesting point could be the anger embedded in the comments. They seem to focus on the rich getting richer at the expense of the poor and how markets are rigged and the rich are all in on it. Based on the comments the resentment runs deep, obviously there is no way to know how representative this sentiment is but we all know it exists. I've made several mentions of my friend on Facebook in the "resentment camp" and he has since de-friended me.
We know that there have always been people who cheat one way or another and hopefully we realize that there will always be people who cheat and by cheat I mean break the law. I would imagine that the amount of people cheating ebbs and flows and I would have no idea whether there are now a lot of cheaters or just a few on a historical basis.
None of that changes the truthism mentioned above; people need to save money and get some sort of return on that money. In a way, if you already know there are cheaters participating in the markets then you would seem to have at least one thing in your corner. If you have one thing then maybe you have more than one thing in your corner.
Market cheaters will not prevent some list of countries available in ETF form from having very good returns over the next five years, nor will cheaters prevent some other countries available in ETF form from having lousy returns over the next five years. If agriculture turns out to be what I think it will be over the next few years then the role cheaters might play will have no long term effect. Looking back, you have no idea if cheaters have ever impacted your holdings unless the cheaters were caught and while I have no idea how many cheaters there are I don't think anyone believes most of them are getting caught.
The historical argument for buying equities, which to repeat was alive and well in the 2000s in other markets, was built with cheaters in there the whole time. There is no defending it, it is unfair when cheaters prosper without getting caught but it happens and markets go up and down all the same and none of this changes the fact that the less you have in equities the higher the savings rate needs to be.
The picture is the latest in the trend of college football fields that are not green. First, I believe, was the smurf turn at Boise State, then the inferno at Eastern Washington and now the above at Central Arkansas.





8 comments:
I'm beginning to think the scam today is those people being led to believe that finance, bankers, economics etc is 'bad' and equities are the antithesis of what is wrong in society.
Yes, tin-foil hat in place today.
The stark matter, that is ignored by many, is that your stocks will usually keep up with inflation, and will prevent you spending today what you're going to need tomorrow.
reminds me of the old joke: guy tells friend he is going to the poker game. friend says "that game is rigged. they cheat." guy says "yeah, i know. but its the only game in town!"
yes, there are cheats. a lot of the "noise" about the "unfair" markets these days refers to the "ultra fast computer trading" as well. what difference can it make that the "big boys" can trade in milliseconds when you are going to hold for 20 years or more?
some of the countries that roger prefers are less than transparent in their rules and may harbor even more cheats. sometimes you get to go along on the upside, even though someone else trades on inside info.
for those who choose to eschew stocks, i wish them a long and prosperous career. since they will be working for a long time. me, i choose the markets, retired 11 years ago at age 49 and am enjoying the ride. roger will be happy to hear that 8 months of that ride was even spent on the big island of hawaii!
carpe diem and caveat emptor!
where on the Big Island? While our time there did not end well (multiple breakins) there were some beautiful spots. We like Hawi, Honokaa, Na'alehu and some spots right in the path of the volcano.
...Honoka'a leading down to the Waipio valley
Had to chuckle at this post.
I wonder how many of these folks who think the market is rigged have bothered to take the same investigative scheme and apply it to our government - at all levels?
If investing in securities is a problem, I think paying all the taxes and fees corrupt government imposes would really rankle this crowd.
T
we stayed in puna one block from the ocean and waimea with a great view of mauna kea. no problems with crime. i also love honokaa, esp. the smoked fish and propane place. best smoked ahi.
'I'll never invest in stocks again' is something about as sincere as when we say, 'I'll never drink again'! We always come back for more.
I really did begin to shift away from stocks though as I gear more towards real estate. I feel that the market has been properly adjusted by the down swing and it will certainly be rebounding over the next 5 years. It makes sense to invest. With companies like www.capitalira.com now allowing for investing through an IRA, a 5+ year investment now makes a lot of sense.
I'll always invest in stocks though...and I'll always drink again too!
'I'll never invest in stocks again' is something about as sincere as when we say, 'I'll never drink again'! We always come back for more.
I really did begin to shift away from stocks though as I gear more towards real estate. I feel that the market has been properly adjusted by the down swing and it will certainly be rebounding over the next 5 years. It makes sense to invest. With companies like Self directed IRA for real estate now allowing for investing through an IRA, a 5+ year investment now makes a lot of sense.
I'll always invest in stocks though...and I'll always drink again too!
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