Wednesday, February 02, 2011
It Would Be Worse If You Didn't Know
On Monday I tweeted rhetorically whether the Fed was bigger than Egypt as US equities seemed to have shrugged off whatever might be the consequence from the Egypt story. This was confirmed by an even bigger lift in the market on Tuesday. As a quick clarification the Fed is literally bigger than Egypt but I am talking shorter term sentiment. There are several odd things at work as the market appears to have moved on so quickly from this story that it is amusing.
In general, events like the one in Egypt and whatever it may spill into come along every so often, markets over react for a few days because "this one" is different, the market realizes it is not different and then shrugs it off. This is often a process that takes several days not the one trading session, last Friday, which makes me wonder if the market could be underestimating the significance. I still don't think this is a permanent game changer but I do think this should be worth more than one down day.
ETF Trends had a post titled Egypt ETFs Lure Investors in Droves. The Market Vectors Egypt ETF (EGPT) had very little volume until a few days ago but since then the volume has gone berserk from tens of thousands of shares to either side of a million shares per day. This clearly shows that the willingness to speculate, as if we need any reassurance, is alive and well. The one way nature of the trading for the last few months is also evidence of willing speculative behavior which is of course what the Fed wants. The targeting of asset prices as the Fed is doing is an encouragement to speculate and this is far from a unique thought.
A blog I read on Seeking Alpha called The Housing Time Bomb refers to this as robots controlling the market and he reasonably concludes "why anyone would invest their life savings in something as ridiculous as today's robot controlled stock market is beyond me."
There is no reasonable denial that things are distorted by desperate policy attempting to stimulate the economy and one way to stimulate the economy is to target asset prices (not a belief statement on my part, just noting one of the current dynamics at work). The totality of the last eleven years (returns plus policy) will obviously cause some investors to swear off stocks forever for the reasons that The Housing Time Bomb says and some he doesn't but there are some important things to consider in addressing this question or maybe other questions of just how much exposure to have in stocks.
The most important thing is that we are now eleven years past what many people think of as normal stock market behavior which is a pretty long stretch in this context. Part of behavioral finance is that people get worn out to the point of giving up at precisely the wrong time. On a smaller picture level a distorted market is not a good thing but not knowing it was distorted would be worse.
If you are worried about some sort of meltdown because of all this, one answer is to pick some sort of objective trigger point to take defensive action. It would be better to do this now while you are probably feeling pretty good. Also valid would be to allocate more to countries that had close to normal decades in their stock markets, have healthier economies and where desperate actions are not being taken. There are plenty to choose from.
In general, events like the one in Egypt and whatever it may spill into come along every so often, markets over react for a few days because "this one" is different, the market realizes it is not different and then shrugs it off. This is often a process that takes several days not the one trading session, last Friday, which makes me wonder if the market could be underestimating the significance. I still don't think this is a permanent game changer but I do think this should be worth more than one down day.
ETF Trends had a post titled Egypt ETFs Lure Investors in Droves. The Market Vectors Egypt ETF (EGPT) had very little volume until a few days ago but since then the volume has gone berserk from tens of thousands of shares to either side of a million shares per day. This clearly shows that the willingness to speculate, as if we need any reassurance, is alive and well. The one way nature of the trading for the last few months is also evidence of willing speculative behavior which is of course what the Fed wants. The targeting of asset prices as the Fed is doing is an encouragement to speculate and this is far from a unique thought.
A blog I read on Seeking Alpha called The Housing Time Bomb refers to this as robots controlling the market and he reasonably concludes "why anyone would invest their life savings in something as ridiculous as today's robot controlled stock market is beyond me."
There is no reasonable denial that things are distorted by desperate policy attempting to stimulate the economy and one way to stimulate the economy is to target asset prices (not a belief statement on my part, just noting one of the current dynamics at work). The totality of the last eleven years (returns plus policy) will obviously cause some investors to swear off stocks forever for the reasons that The Housing Time Bomb says and some he doesn't but there are some important things to consider in addressing this question or maybe other questions of just how much exposure to have in stocks.
The most important thing is that we are now eleven years past what many people think of as normal stock market behavior which is a pretty long stretch in this context. Part of behavioral finance is that people get worn out to the point of giving up at precisely the wrong time. On a smaller picture level a distorted market is not a good thing but not knowing it was distorted would be worse.
If you are worried about some sort of meltdown because of all this, one answer is to pick some sort of objective trigger point to take defensive action. It would be better to do this now while you are probably feeling pretty good. Also valid would be to allocate more to countries that had close to normal decades in their stock markets, have healthier economies and where desperate actions are not being taken. There are plenty to choose from.
Subscribe to:
Post Comments (Atom)





5 comments:
Trigger points?? Trigger points??
How does one evaluate a trigger point when the market is so irrational?
Are there different strategies for different trigger points?
Being 3 years from retirement trigger points become very relevant and I don't hear much discussion on this.
As long as one recognizes that the market behaves irrationally is in itself comforting.That bit of knowledge encourages the investor to count on multiple income streams (and a diverse, rather conservative portfolio as one aspect of an investment plan),not relying on the vagaries of stock picking to fund retirement.
If one has to look at investments every day, curse quarterly reports and hinge investment decisions on the proclamations of a guru, I'd say a trigger point was in the review mirror. Better reload!
T
Hmm. Several points where I would see things differently.
I don't think the market has shrugged off the Egypt situation at all. But it went from being an imminent threat to world commerce (will they close the Suez Canal?) and the entire political order of the Mideast (will Islamist revolutionaries sweep through the oil states, as they did in Iran?), to being relatively benign, with signs of accommodation from Mubarek, and populist rejection of Islamist sloganeering. Not another Iran, but maybe another Turkey. Not bad at all!
Finding "normal" markets overseas sounds like a good idea. I'm not so sure there are plenty to choose from, or even any (that are accessible to retail investors). 2008 showed how correlated everything can be in a crisis, and hot money seems to be able to get into a lot of places--and out again, too fast.
On another theme: do you like the AGRO IPO? It's the best shot at a farmland play I've seen in awhile. Should be a good non-correlator, at least.
Hummingbear my context was for a decade. A market that was up 100% or more, bear market decline and all, then I would call that normal. Each decade will have a bear market or two so in this context I still believe there were plenty to choose from.
AGRO is interesting. The Soros is selling is a negative, that he is holding on to what I believe is 21% of the company is a positive. I have more learning to do but it obviously covers a lot of the bases i think are important.
Roger
In thinking about "trigger points" I like your (and others')idea about using the 200 day SMA. One problem I have is finding a portfolio program that lets me look at all my holdings (maybe 30) at once ,with the 200-day superimposed for each. Any recommendations ,anyone? Thanks.
Jack
Post a Comment