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Friday, December 03, 2010

Don't Be A Sucker

Don't be a sucker was essentially Nassim Taleb's answer yesterday when asked on CNBC what people should do with their money. He started to say "that is the problem with CNBC" but he managed to pull himself out of that nose dive and made it a productive discussion, in my estimation anyway.

Long time readers will know that I have been essentially saying the same thing in terms of figuring out what to avoid. Quite the opposite of needing to be one of the world's great thinkers figuring out what to avoid is more than simple it is simplistic, requires no supreme intellect or predilection to use the word robust (that last one was a humor attempt).

This last event was very easy to see trouble coming (although gauging magnitude was more difficult) for all the things I wrote about beforehand; financial's weight in the S&P 500, the inversion of the yield curve and the slow rolling over of the market starting in October 2007 giving plenty of time to get out. This required no intelligence, I did not "invent" any of these things. Anyone smart enough to understand what was happening in the real estate market at the time did all the better in figuring what to avoid.

Look at the world today, what should be avoided? Avoiding Europe might even be an easier call than financials a few years ago. Two countries have received bailouts in a span of six months and the path to contagion is very easy to construct with almost no analysis. This may seem a little assy on my part but market participants are weighing whether the worst crisis in 80 years in the US is finally done and whether the bailouts in the European union will cause the need for more bailouts.

The deeper you can to go the more unanswerable questions there are and while it is certainly possible there will be no more follow through on these issues in terms of equity prices, why take the chance on being "a sucker?" To borrow from yesterday's post; if the above pertained to Paraguay (just an example that is not really an accessible investment destination) it would take you one minute to decide no way.

The list of countries not touched by any of this, fundamentally, is very long; the Scandies, much of Asia, Canada, Antipodes, Latin America should be enough to get you started. There are also companies in the US that bypass the fundamentals of the crisis. This is not to say that there will be no need for defensive action in the future or that correlations won't go to one again but bypassing the heart of the trouble spots means you more likely only have to confront market risk as opposed to business risk. "Market risk" is really more about volatility whereas "business risk" is far more serious as anyone who owns Citigroup above $40 will tell you.

10 comments:

Anonymous said...

Hi Roger:

Hope this post finds u well.

Are Asia and by extension parts of South America really that healthy? Some don't think so..wondering if u saw this and what your take is..

http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2010/11/17/chanos-vs-china/

Best,Andrew L.

Anonymous said...

Roger,
when there is a crisis there are also opportunities. Tues. was a great short term opp. in Europe. The next day some shares rose as much as 7%. I think that portugal was this way for the past 30years. The market is just reacting this way because of deleveraging has just hit the soreveign. You just have to know what you are doing of course and it is not for the faint of heart.
Best,
Jeff from Milan, Italy

Anonymous said...

Well I do not agree.

Correlations will stay high.

The administration does not have a clue. The fed is short sighted and is intent on blowing another bubble.

I would stay long now and sell when everyone starts indicating we are out of the woods or some such similar nonsense.

SEG

Roger Nusbaum said...

the story from Chanos is not new and I don't disagree directionally. I believe this is consistent with my saying I don't want financials which includes the RE companies. There are also issues with off sheet debt with the (equavalent of) states in China as well. I have specifically talked about avoiding the overcapacity in China which is a big chunk of what he is talking about.

the market is down 50% from where it was three years ago.

Jeff, I have said all along there have been and will be trades to be had along the way for people so inclined but that is not the context of the risk i am willing to take for clients.

Stephen Drone said...

Speaking of Asia reminds me of Japan. Japan is something that really makes me compare my index investing vs. Roger's methods, which can be more country-oriented. I'm still researching and considering ways to use large/popular indexes to invest in Asia but avoid Japan. In some small part, I'm even using a actively managed mutual fund for this purpose.

Stephen Drone said...

I guess I should generalize that comment a bit more - "don't be a sucker" to me basically means "ignore Japan" at this point when it comes to Asia. Heh.

Anonymous said...

Roger,

Don't you see a problem with avoiding troubled industries/countries? You lose the opportunity to take advantage of Mr. Market's tendency to overract to bad news. When bad news is revealed, and asset prices go down, rational investors should try and determine whether or not the crowd has over-reacted to the bad news. If you always avoid investments related to the negative news of the day, you lose the opportunity to buy underpriced assets.

- aagold

Roger Nusbaum said...

AAGold,

Aside from despising the term Mr. Market XD, I have posted many instances of taking advantage of temporary dislocations just not in segments where the fundamentals stink.

Anonymous said...

Roger,
I just tried googling "XD" but I can't figure out what it means. What does it mean?
- aagold

Roger Nusbaum said...

if you look at it sideways it looks like someone laughing very hard

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