First up is an article over the weekend from Jason Zweig. I usually don't agree with him very often (see this post and this one about emerging markets) but the current article explores an important concept and a clever term. The article talks about the battle between inflation and deflation and what investors should worry about it.
He says that investors should not worry about this and instead understand which outcome hurts them the most and prepare accordingly. He notes that for people in the accumulation phase of their life a little inflation is good because their asset prices generally appreciate, their mortgage gets paid off with cheaper dollars and their pay goes up. He believes a little deflation is good for retired people because their expenses can go down but their social security checks do not so their money goes further. For purposes of this post I'm not too concerned about debating him so much as the bigger picture implication.
He says that investors should worry about meflation; the outcome that threatens them the most. This is a point I've made before but in a slightly different context noting that the typical investor does not need protection against a Kudlowite outcome but they do need protection against a Roubinian outcome. Oh and for what its worth Zweig is still wrong about emerging markets.
Next up is the curious case of Duoyuan Global Water (DGW) which got the stuffing knocked out of it (similar to the beating Dan Doherty took from Captain Turner before turning the tables on the shockingly profane Deadwood) dropping 40% because, as Tate Dwinnell noted, related company Duoyuan Printing (DYP) fired its auditor. DYP dropped by about 50%.The particulars of the story are less interesting than the psychological litmus test this provides. If this is an out and out fraud then anyone buying right here and holding on will get wiped out, if this is a gross overreaction then anyone buying here stands to make a lot of money very quickly (no guarantee of course).
So with those stakes are you a buyer or do you avoid it? There isn't necessarily a wrong answer in that anyone comfortable buying this type of situation no doubt realizes that sometimes these win and sometimes they lose; this will be one or the other. Anyone leaving this one alone probably does not want the emotional hassle of enduring this. I have used the term know-thyself and this is a fantastic example of how to assess your own tendencies. Oh and BTW; NO POSITION.
Yesterday someone with selective reading heckled me about the "futility" of using the 200 DMA as a triggerpoint for defensive action. I say selective reading because I talk incessantly about the goal being to avoid the full brunt of down a lot. The drag from a small position in a 2X inverse fund on a day that the market is up 1% is microscopic. If the market goes down a lot the hedging effect would be substantial IMO.
Lost on the heckler is that the point has never been do what I do but figure out whether you, in the context of investing not trading, should take any defensive action and if so what is best for you. If ever there was case for staying on your own mat this is it.





11 comments:
Roger, good point re: what harms one the most. Also I have a philosophy of distinguishing "acceptable" losses from "unacceptable" losses. Acceptable would be a small loss on an SDS position, unacceptable would be gambling or spec losses on long call options.
I have commented before about this market being twitchy, head-faking every which way, this can be called "whipsaw" but it really is just how a low volume market operates. This seems like another head fake upward at the top of a reading range, only time will tell...
Mark from L-Ville
trading, not reading, my bad...
Mark from L-Ville
Nothing special about any indicator including the 200 dma even if it is preferred by Roger.
There are no guarantees in the market people. I just do not think the 200 dma is working right now. I think this is just a correction in a bull market which makes sense considering how high it went last year. We will see.
Roger,
I read the your blog often but have seldom commented. This time, I felt the need to chime in. I don't find much value in anything Zweig writes. I believe fundamentals, technicals, & valuations all play a part in an appropriate country and world equity allocation for the longer term. Fundamentals and technicals certainly favor EM's now and valuations are nothing severe. ALso, agree on the 200 day Avg. It doesn't have to be the 200 day - but for many some defensive measure to avoid down a lot makes all the sense in the world. You don't want to sell AFTER down a lot. Keep up the great work.
thank you
I didn't mean to criticize Roger or the 200 dma earlier. The 200 dma is a good bench mark, but the market is relentless in deceiving everyone into making errors. I am just trying to point out that there is no singular perfect indicator. I wish there was one.
I didn't mean to criticize Roger or the 200 dma earlier. The 200 dma is a good bench mark, but the market is relentless in deceiving everyone into making errors. I am just trying to point out that there is no singular perfect indicator. I wish there was one.
Roger,
I read the your blog often but have seldom commented. This time, I felt the need to chime in. I don't find much value in anything Zweig writes. I believe fundamentals, technicals, & valuations all play a part in an appropriate country and world equity allocation for the longer term. Fundamentals and technicals certainly favor EM's now and valuations are nothing severe. ALso, agree on the 200 day Avg. It doesn't have to be the 200 day - but for many some defensive measure to avoid down a lot makes all the sense in the world. You don't want to sell AFTER down a lot. Keep up the great work.
Anon 12:24: Roger can (and has) defended the 200 DMA for what it is and isnt and can do so here.
I would like to respond to your comment of "the market is relentless in deceiving everyone into making errors."
That paints a picture of a living cognizant being actively deciding to be deceitful others. This view has become pretty common since HFT, shorting, and speculation become evil words. I think some are losing sight of what the stock market is....
The sum of the active trades placed setting a value of something (stock, bond, commodity, forex, etc) at a specific point in time.
Rhianni32,
It is only an analogy
I know you are correct, but I guess your point is others get a poor emotional view of things.
Moving averages work well in trending markets -not so well in trading markets...
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