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Friday, May 07, 2010

A Plan And A Trade

Like most late mornings I was watching Barney Miller reruns when Joellyn saw a headline on her Yahoo page about the stock market being down a lot and thought that I might want to check it out. Just kidding--humor attempts are ok.

The other day I said I had mapped out a trade if the market dropped to a certain level and this happened between somewhere around 2:15 EDT; given what was happening I did not take notice of the exact minute but I know I was done trading by 2:30 EDT.

My plan was to increase our tech exposure on a pull back. We're underweight that sector, financials and discretionary. The way I have tech constructed, about 85% of the sector is in a broad tech ETF and the rest is in a stock. The trade was to increase the tech ETF by 25% subject to rounding.

The trade, done in large accounts, does a couple of things but I should note some background here. In 2008 by virtue of some lucky sales and a position in the ProShares Ultra Short S&P 500 (SDS) we were down much less than the market. In 2009 I did not reequitize enough and we lagged the S&P 500 some, but not badly. In 2010 near the high based on what parts of the market were leading we were trailing by a noticeable bit and now the gap has almost gone away during the pullback.

From here if the market goes back up I would hope that the increase in tech will let us stay closer to the market. If the market drifts lower then the position in SDS, which is now a little less microscopic, will grow to hedge more of the portfolio.

If we breach the 200 DMA then I will increase the SDS position. During that crazy 20 minutes Matt Nesto made a point of mentioning that the S&P 500 was below the 200 DMA. The way I have used this is to wait for the second day before taking some sort of defensive action. If near the end of the next day the S&P 500 is below the 200 DMA I will place a trade.

It should be noted that my focus is the result over the entire stock market cycle--however many years that might be. Additionally I am trying to avoid the full brunt of down a lot. While I would love to beat the market every year it is far less important to me than the result for the cycle. The trade placed yesterday will either look like a good one or not a month from now but we are two and half years into this event (longer if you think about financials peaking in June of 2007 or New Century filing for Chapter 11 on April 2, 2007) which means there is a good chance that we are a long way in. A long way in even if it means growth on the other side is not so hot for a while.

One market truthism that mostly held up during the last decade, despite the 24% drop, that I think will hold up this decade is that the stock market has an up year 72% of the time. In the last decade US stocks were up six out of ten years and anyone who heeded the warnings of the 200 DMA and the inverted yield curve probably came out of the decade up on the period versus that 24% decline.

While it is possible that this decade will as bad or worse it is not probable. This means it will make sense to be close to fully invested more often than not (but for god sake have some sort of defensive strategy to protect your portfolio). To be clear I still believe that US will be relatively unattractive and while I plan to have clients close to fully invested more often than not it will be in more foreign countries which is something I have been writing about since I started this site.

I also wanted to respond to a couple of reader comments from yesterday. One reader was kind enough to share his experience of getting whipsawed with stop orders. I have used stop orders occasionally but they have drawbacks and the reader unfortunately experienced probably the biggest one. The market panicked, stop orders were elected and then the market snapped back. I don't have a great answer but I am not a fan of across the board use.

Another reader asked about using the 200 DMA for individual positions. This is not necessarily a bad thing to do but I view things from the top down. If I have reduced net long exposure sufficiently, either by buying SDS or selling stock, then the bottom line of the portfolio should go down less if the SPX ends up going down a lot. To illustrate with an extreme example; if at the peak a few weeks ago you went 95% cash and kept 5% in one stock. Let's say that two weeks from now the S&P 500 is at 1000, down about 20%, but the stock you held onto is down 60%. That 60% hit in the stock would only be 3% of the portfolio, would the drop in the stock in that circumstance matter at all? The more important event in that case was the raising of cash not the drop in the stock, the drop in the stock is practically irrelevant.

17 comments:

Anonymous said...

Hasn't your SDS lost a ton by holding it? Aren't those funds meant to be aggressively traded? Wouldn't you be better off buying and holding the 1 x short fund instead of the leveraged?
I know my leveraged fund has lost so much by holding it that to break even we would need to have financial Armageddon. I would never buy and hold these funds in the future.

Roger Nusbaum said...

look at a chart. it has been in the $30s most of the time for months and less than 1% of the portfolio, the drag has not been that bad.

Anonymous said...

Roger. Watched Fast Money yesterday afternoon after the close. One of the traders noted the benefit to owning puts as opposed to stop orders. I see his point; however, there is a cost associated with owning a put and the put goes worthless when it expires. Your thoughts on purchasing puts instead of using stop orders? Thank you.

Roger Nusbaum said...

I am in front of the market 99% of the time. If a trade needs to be done I can just do it. This is preferable to stops and puts for me. Most people are not in front of the market all day but the internet does make it easier for anyone to stay somewhat in touch. I can't say what is right for someone else but stops clearly have drawbacks but so do puts and just watching. pick what is least bad for you.

Anonymous said...

i am losing so much money right now. why are we dropping so fast when we are way off the high's from '07. This is ridiculous.

Roger Nusbaum said...

don't know if you are a new reader but I have been calling for one more scare the hell out of them decline for months and months because that is normal market behavior.

Anonymous said...

Today, I have added an Italian media conglamorate. Now I am 7% invested. However, after I updated all the numbers an oscilator told a big story. This oscilator goes from zero to 60. During feb to may this oscil.has not gone to 10 and I have been expectin a 60. On tue and wed this oscil.was 28, so I expected a 60 in the next few days. But to my suprise the oscilator on thurs.has registerd 112. I have gone back and over 100 has been in late sept.2008 and during oct.2008. This high number can be saying is that a big correction is underway.
Jeff from Milan, Italy

Eric said...

Roger, I'm the guy that got caught in a bunch of stops yesterday. Your point about being in front of the market is spot-on, and normally I wouldn't have my portfolio loaded down with stop orders. But over the last few weeks I've been setting them because I'm leaving (tomorrow) for Iraq. I don't think I'll have a lot of real time exposure to the market while I'm there, so this is my way to protect from a massive downturn.

Roger Nusbaum said...

stay safe, wow.

Mike C said...

Regarding stops, my thought is you want to use mental stops, not hard-coded stops, and as you allude to in your plan for 200 DMA, I think you want to avoid stopping out or taking defensive action on an intraday basis or even maybe a single closing day. I think you need to work off a few days to a week so that you don't get taken out on a massive whoosh down that comes right back.

Roger Nusbaum said...

jeff miller said almost the exact same thing.

Stephen Drone said...

Also, the highs of 2007 might not be the thing you wanna look at if stocks were well overpriced at that point...

Stephen Drone said...

I'm always curious about the 200 DMA; do people watch it for every market (US, EMEA, China, etc.)? Every country?

Matthew said...

@Eric: I personally would buy a passive portfolio like the Permanent Portfolio if I was going to war. This type of portfolio quite effectively limits losses using only diversification, instead of well timed defensive selling. Respect.

RE: puts v. stops. In the research I have done, related to my end-of-week ETF rotation system, I found that using stops do generally cost you money by reducing cagr. And stops may extend your drawdown periods also! This second feature is due to missing the frenetic portion of snap back rallies.

I also found that wider stops generally didn't decrease my system performance too much. Wider means 12% +/- 4 for something like QLD. I do use stops though because I believe I am getting something for the cost: 1) cut-off some tail risk. 2) take emotion out of exit decisions. 3) no need to be in front of market every day. I am willing to pay up for those features.

I think many professional position traders use staggered stops to lighten up a position during a down draft instead of completely exiting a position on one order. I have not researched this yet.

Through some mix of preparation and luck all of my equities were stopped out earlier in the day yesterday ~3.5% above where it is trading this minute...

Eric said...

Thanks, Roger, I'll keep my head down. Also, I hope to continue to read your blog as much as possible. Have you thought about podcasting? Maybe a weekly Big Picture audio podcast?

Matthew - I'd say 80% of my net worth is in passive-type investments. I barely pay attention to that stuff...perhaps rebalancing once a year or so. It's the other 20% I'm messing with.

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Anonymous said...

Drone from 11:34 is right regarding 2007 security prices as a benchmark of value.

I run into this all the time with real estate investors - using the high point of the parcel price in 2007 as a benchmark of the property's "potential" value today as they measure the value of a foreclosure or short sale.

Foolish.

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