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Saturday, May 15, 2010

The Big Picture for the Week of May 16, 2010

The crew at ETF Database posted a useful topic yesterday pointing out three country funds that have low correlations to the S&P 500. The three ETFs were iShares Malaysia (EWM) with a 0.76 correlation to the S&P 500, the iShares Thailand (THD) 0.75 and the iShares Chile (ECH) 0.69. If those funds' correlations are lower than other country funds I will take their word for it but they don't seem to be that lowly correlated. BTW a few clients own ECH and I also have a couple of shares.

This is a good reason to revisit something I wrote more about a couple of years ago as things were really hitting the fan. The ETF Database article correctly, IMO, points out that most markets are highly correlated. I would say the funds isolated in the article are merely less highly correlated.

Unfortunately I think many market participants have unrealistic expectations about decoupling. We have seen first hand, a couple of times, in the last few years that most markets go down together even if the magnitudes are different. The context I have been writing about from the start has been that countries with different economic attributes are usually at different points in their respective economic cycles which gives them a chance, I say a chance, of being at different points in their respective stock market cycles.

Of the foreign markets I write about I think this three year chart comparing the IPSA in Chile and the Bovespa in Brazil to the S&P 500 is a good way to show the effect.

Brazil kept going up for months after the US peaked, as did Norway BTW. The Bovespa did drop more than the SPX peak to trough but is currently 11% below its all time high. Chile rolled over in lock step with the US but only went down for about half the time resulting in a much smaller peak to trough decline and the IPSA is higher than where it was before the financial crisis started.

Several times over the last couple of years I have mentioned that for some countries this has been much closer to just being a cyclical event as opposed to secular or structural and while that is obviously the case with Chile I believe it is also the case with Brazil.

While living in the moment is important in life a longer term view with regard to investing probably makes more sense. For the last decade Brazil was up 301%, Chile was up 194% and the S&P 500 was down 24%. First, these countries were worthy of more study for being commodity based. Then it was obvious that they were both on much firmer ground than the US and I believe still are. To revisit a point I make often is it really that difficult to figure out that Europe has some big problems? Of course not. Ditto Japan. And I am telling you it was just as easy to see Europe's problems a couple of years ago too.

10 comments:

Anonymous said...

IMHO, diversification must occur not only within asset classes, but more importantly, across asset classes--equities, bonds, gold, real estate, commodities, cash. The oft invoked free lunch moniker makes me shake my head; diversification is maybe a value meal, especially during systemic events.

Anonymous said...

Roger, from what i've read about the Flash Crash, only about 25% of the stocks trade on the retail market. Does that mean the balance are pegged at some small discount to the retail price, are they traded without middlemen, or is there an enitrely different deep discount market that is not open to scrutiny
Sam

Roger Nusbaum said...

Sam I don't really follow the question. If you own a few million shares of a stock and need out now then you would likely seek a discounted bid to get it done now but beyond that I don't follow.

Anonymous said...

Roger I love your blog. It is on my must look at daily list. I wanted to ask what happened to your video's? It used to be my weekend treat?

Roger Nusbaum said...

the desk top i used for that hasn't been functioning for a while and Joellyn now prefers the laptop she got a little while ago so the desk top may never come back. i supposed i could mount the web cam on my laptop but have not done so.

commoncents said...

Very Interesting - as always. I really like your blog!!

Common Cents
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ps. Link Exchange??

Anonymous said...

Skimming through Seeking Alpha today, I ran across an interview, the premise being that thinly traded, thinly capitalized ETFs should pose no concerns for the investor.

I disagree.

Any thoughts?

T

Anonymous said...

Roger,

As a long time reader, please do not take this wrong, but I do not miss the video. I like to take time to think about your text as I read and video is too quick.

Again, enjoy your work.
Ken

Stephen Drone said...

"only about 25% of the stocks trade on the retail market."

If 75% of volume these days is program trading, as has been estimated, then this makes sense.

Roger Nusbaum said...

but not the part about the discounted price. who's selling at the discount?

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