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Wednesday, March 17, 2010

Conversation We Cannot Hear

Once or twice before I've mentioned my enjoyment of the very profane and violent HBO series Deadwood. If you are also a fan of the show chances are one of the things you like, you know besides the profanity and the violence, is some of the one liners that the various characters throw out there.

One quote in particular strikes me, it came from the character George Hearst (the picture is of a different character) while talking to Sheriff Bullock. Hearst said "I am having a conversation you cannot hear."

Over the years I have had a few encounters that were investment related that tie in to the quote. When I was working at Schwab there was one fellow there that I came into contact with occasionally (talking late 1990s) named George. George was 71 at the time and this was his post retirement career after having been at General Electric (GE). He was at GE forever and was not bashful about the fact that essentially all of his money was in the stock.

He loved the company, loved the stock and there was no talking to him about the concentration risk he was taking. The stock peaked in September 2000 at almost $60. It closed yesterday at $17.69. I have no idea whether George ever reduced his position or not. Obviously he was not wiped about and while he collected dividends most of the way through (even though the dividend was cut meaningfully) he has a much smaller nest egg than he did ten years ago.

Concentration risk is something he could easily understand but he could not hear it as it pertained to General Electric.

As another example about two and a half years ago one of the guys I fight fires with engaged me in a conversation about real estate. He said you can't lose on real estate with such conviction that knowing him as I do it would have been useless to tell him otherwise.

How many people would not have heard warnings about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac ten years ago? What about Wachovia, Lehman, WaMu and Bear Stearns? From past periods what about Polaroid? Is Eastman Kodak on its way out? That was a Dow stock for years. Much of the old steel industry in the US is gone.

At various points in history the failure of these companies was simply not possible. I imagine people might have felt the same about Standard Rope & Twine (this was a real company, it was a Dow stock) back in its day.

Any outcome is possible. A given company failing may not be probable but it is possible that any company can fail. Any country can end up not working out despite what we may think. Going back to China from yesterday's post, there is no convincing me that it doesn't work out in the long run but it may not. I sold a position last week targeted at a 2% weight and I could see targeting as much as 5% for the portfolio but that I can go to almost zero hopefully is a sign that I can hear the conversation.

Using moderate weightings mitigates the consequence for conversations you cannot hear. As portfolio management is a series of correct and incorrect decisions, I have said many times putting 3% into a stock that ends up going to zero is not a portfolio deathblow it is merely a bad day. I believe the worst performer I've ever put into client accounts was Macquarie Infrastructure (MIC). For most clients who owned it it was targeted at a 2% weight. I under estimated the impact of it being so transaction oriented and thus reliant on capital markets to function. Despite it being (probably) the worst holding ever I have no recollection of a client even asking about it.

Whether you manage your own portfolio or manage money for others there is no avoiding bad holdings--from time to time you will be wrong. Being wrong is not the thing, the thing is the consequence for being wrong. A 2-3% holding blowing up is not a big deal but at some point a holding becomes large enough that it is a big deal.

If you have a chance, I will be participating in a panel at Seeking Alpha at 2pm EDT about retirement investing. Hope you can check it out.

4 comments:

Anonymous said...

Roger,
great post! It comes to mind what Taleb sayed that if you knew the risk of stocks you would not invest in them. (I do not have the actual quote). It reminds me that one day my program gave me a buy on MCO, I purchaes at 23 and sold it at close to 26. Again it gave me a buy at 21 and was very eager but learned that Buffet was selling and speculators were front running Buffet and sold, and sold and went down to 18's. My program gave me a stronger buy but held the shares at 21 and did refrained from adding, I like to play prudent, computer system can also fail. I sold the position for 23 and made another profit. It made me think that Berkshire one day, maybe 20 years after Buffett is gone that we will witness a downturn. It goes against the grain of what buffet believes. A big investment conglamorate. Buffett likes focused business that he understands. I like his style and am learning quite a bit. But look at coke(KO) he purchased for pennies but today it is half of what it was in 2000. Nothing is for ever.
Roger, I like your stysle for being ever so flexible, but also must be commited to make the real money.
Great work!
Best,
Jeff from Milan, Italy

Anonymous said...

Roger diversification ONLY works if the assets are not correlated. When GE tanked all sectors tanked as well so having money in BAC, XOM, GOOG, Utilities, Construction and other sectors would have lost money too. Ditto for Foreign stocks and sectors. I would love to hear about 33-50 non correlated asset classes and put 2-3% of investment in each of these so that I can avoid big losses. Most asset allocators talk about 3-7 classes and unfortunately even they are correlated. I hope bonds do not count as 2-3% weight in your asset allocation. So your theorey is excellent but practicallity....? BTW could you share your performance over 1, 3, 5 and 10 yrs. Thanks

Roger Nusbaum said...

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Stephen Drone said...

"Roger diversification ONLY works if the assets are not correlated. "

Statements like that drive me nuts. You then go on to list a bunch of stocks that may or may not be correlated.

You never mention anything but equities. Surely this theoretical person isn't invested in 100% equities. Which means there's probably a signficant portion of his portfolio that's invested in something that's not correlated to equities.

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