First up was this comment left on the Seeking Alpha version of yesterday's post (sorry if that link doesn't work correctly) about the agriculture theme. A reader asked rhetorically "Why by an ETF, instead by a basket of AG stocks, you will control portfolio, and generally get a better return. I have often looked at various ETFs, but they seem to underperform their parallel markets."
Oh boy.
His comment is a cornucopia of fallacies and other behavioral issues in just a few short words. There are always stocks related to the specialty of an ETF that will outperform the ETF but of course there are always stocks related to the specialty of an ETF that will lag the ETF. Within a fund some portion add to the return of the fund and some are a drag; this should be obvious. Perhaps the reader in question can "generally get a better return" but the implication of how easy it can be is very optimistic.
Similar to the holdings in a fund, in a diversified portfolio whether it uses ETFs, stocks or both there will be holdings that do better than the market and some that lag. I would hope this too would be obvious. The proper expectation whether you pick stocks or use ETFs is that whatever method you choose it cannot always be the best. A good example came up earlier in the week. I disclosed owning Vale (VALE) for most clients and how in 2009 it lagged iShares Brazil (EWZ) but that in most other years since I've owned it it outperformed that ETF. I'm quite pleased with it as a way into Brazil but it will not always be the best way in. Going forward it would be reasonable to expect some years of beating EWZ and some lagging and it would not necessarily be easy to figure ahead of time when that would be.Embedded in that last sentence is the notion that the market is random and the magnitude of randomness is random and the reader's comment ignores this completely. I believe part of the equation for success in the market (I should probably talk about this more) is a healthy respect for the vagaries that can cause the market to move big in one direction or the other for no reason at all. Taleb has talked about the need that people have to explain why the market or a stock did something or another when often the truth is there is no explanation. "Just because" is often the correct answer.
In a similar vein lately I have been reading posts by Graham Summers as published on Seeking Alpha. Of late, and maybe longer than that I'm not sure, he has seemed to aligned with the deflationists. He has written posts about troubles in the US bond market that I have found insightful. He draws more negative conclusions than I do which is why I read him. It is useful to understand the most bearish of arguments in order to understand what might go wrong and then decide for yourself on the probability of the argument panning out.
His latest post is actually a two-parter titled Is Deflation About To Rear It's Head? He is reasonably down on the extent to which the extreme measures taken created the fuel for the rally that started last March and has quite a few negative things to say about Wall Street as the rally has unfolded, he thinks there are big problems to come and that we are starting to see signs of that trouble now. His past commentaries about recent bond auctions are good reads and are part of his thesis. Then he notes the following;
There are many forces at work in a market, but ultimately the sentiment of its participants is what decides where stocks go in the near-term. With the market being dominated by those expressing the sentiment of desperately wanting to believe that the worst has passed (how many times have we heard this proclamation in the last 18 months?) it is not surprising that the market was dominated by the “inflation trade” with stocks and commodities generally rallying higher and higher, becoming more and more divorced from reality or Market Forces in the process.
This fact is most evident when you compare the performance of a company that believes and lives (literally) based on Government Intervention - Goldman Sachs (GS) - to that of a company with little if any exposure to Government Intervention - Coca-Cola (KO) - and the general market itself - S&P 500 (SPX).
He inserts a chart showing that Goldman Sachs outperforming Coke (KO) over the last year by a mile and the S&P 500 by a little less than a mile. He then concludes;
As you can see, companies influenced by Government Intervention clearly TROUNCED those that did not, as well as the market itself (more on this in a minute).
This is something of a generalization and proves nothing. I left a comment noting that Apple (AAPL) is not "influenced by government intervention" and it blew the doors off of GS in the last year. His example proves nothing and neither does mine. Here is where maybe some Popper applies. I believe Popper was most known for the following (paraphrased); all the positive results in the world can only support a conclusion but it only takes one negative to refute it.
More specifically a high beta stock like GS is a very good bet, but not a guarantee, to outperform a low beta staples stock like KO during a monster rally like we've had. That the firms "influenced by government intervention" benefited unfairly and are a part of the problem (however you care to define the problem) is far from an unreasonable conclusion but GS besting KO means nothing.
Many of the most bearish of bloggers use unquantified phrases like utter collapse or total failure which I think are unnecessary. Peter Schiff, among others, is big on this of thing and I do not know why. A clear, concise and correct analysis arguing for inflation, deflation or any other flation can be written without undefined parameters and hyperbole.
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17 comments:
I think people find really strong opinions entertaining. You have always been a middle of the road type of financial blogger, and this has helped me think more critically and less emotionally about my investments. Some of the bloggers like to say crazy things about how outraged they are. They can be entertaining, and they have a large following that includes a lot of crazy gold bugs. But sometimes they are definitely way out there.
you are right outrage abounds
A few years ago I sat in 'media training' -- as requested by my company management for portfolio managers (this was large recognizable financial name).
The instructors were not investment people, they were media specialists talking about how to interact publicly.
It became obvious that they were encouraging us to 'make big market calls' ---- I raised my hand and said 'you know, we have spent a lot of time on our customer marketing book outlining our investment process for institutional investors -- NOWHERE in that presentation are 'big market calls' part of our process.'
The media specialists didn't care -- they said "you need to stand out, people want to know your forecast'...
Our strategy was about executing a process based on finding solid reward/risk situations on relative and absolute basis as best we can.
So I see all these people blogging and whining and outraged. It makes me think how excellent ETF's are... No BS, just performance of an index -- plain and simple.
Morning, Roger--Would you weigh in at some point with your views on the inflation/deflation debate?
I think I recall you saying that you're in the inflation camp, but that mega-inflation is probably off the table. I also remember your article at thestreet.com warning about trouble in bond land.
Thank you for your thoughts.
Count me in the "fat tail" camp ...I don't know whether deflation or hyperinflation is in the cards only that both scenarios have a higher probability of occurring than I am comfortable with unhedged. Agree with Frank here, those who make market calls only get to claim bragging rights among those with a weak appreciation for longitudinal probability distributions.
I took a philosophy of science course many years ago even though it was not required in my program -- (my adviser considered it foolish, not for the first time) -- and became so interested in the subject I took another (whereupon my adviser considered me a jerk, not the first there either [lol]) but, cutting to the chase, your summation of Popper is essentially correct: It only takes one contrary case to falsify a scientific assertion or even an entire theory assuming the framework possesses qualities that are arguably systematic, independently verifiable and widely agreed upon; e.g., http://tinyurl.com/yeq5umg
Science is often denigrated when it produces results that contradict prejudice or powerful interests but just as frequently trotted out as an argument when empirical evidence is equivocal or lacking. In the case of investment systems, Harry Brown's screed has served as a caution for me for many years viz
Efforts to understand and control the apparent randomness of financial events often follow a predictable pattern:
1. Grain of Truth: Stated as a generality a principle makes sense and provides a useful rule of thumb.
2. Over the Edge: Specifics are added and the principle is stretched into an analytic stance.
3. Scientific Posture: Mathematics and the name of science are invoked, there is real structure here!
4. Coronation: Fantasy becomes enthroned, the rule of thumb is now a tenet of natural law.
5. Sweet Superiority: Followers become the elite, better off than those not "with it" when things go wrong.
6. Dogma: But there never is a need to acknowledge that something actually went wrong because:
a. It really did work but was offset by factors that were stronger in this case.
b. The system is perfect but people practice it imperfectly.
c. This was the exception that proves the rule.
d. It happened exactly as expected; you must have misunderstood the expectation.
e. It was a clear cut, textbook example, of the principle working on an inverted basis.
f. The system is perfect but is being sabotaged by [name scapegoat here]!
g. The result has been delayed, pressure is building, the effect will be even more powerful ...later.
NB: This seems to be a fairly accurate description of what is currently happening with the framework supporting the real business cycle (RBC), efficient market and perfect information theories in economics.
my thoughts about inflation/deflation have not changed much and I have mentioned this before.
basically i believe the more probable long term risk is that of inflation. i think inflation will be more than we have lived with in many years to the point of being uncomfortable but not hyper.
We have clearly had an asset deflation that impacted almost every asset class certainly stocks and real estate. Despite the spin some people put on the data I believe that deleveraging is going on and lending is contracting. These are deflationary and I believe that this is where I would turn out to be wrong if I end up being wrong.
A deflationary environment for a couple of years is not really a worry to me even if it impedes recovery but at some point it becomes a real macro problem if lending does not start to flow.
In the short to medium term things can seem very random, but in the long run I strongly disagree that the market is random. If you believe it to be random in the long run maybe you do not fully understand the factors that influence the market.
This is not to say it is 100% predictable or all factors have the same dominance or consistency all the time or that the correlation is 100%. Many people start with a bogus model (like Keynesian) and will never understand why the markets work the way they do. But monetary policy is an extremely useful base for understanding the economy and the markets even if it is not perfect. If you require perfect models you may be frustrated over time. It is just not that simple even though it is predictable in the long run.
SEG
SEG my context was short term
Roger are you reading Carl Popper because of Nassim Taleb ?
probably. that is where I first heard about Popper and have seen his ideas references in a couple of other places but yes that is probably why I'm interested in learning a little more
I agree short term it can be quite erratic.
I'll echo the first poster that Roger does a very nice job of providing actionable portfolio process ideas and concepts. I've learned a lot....
In a world of information overload - much of it screaming LOOK HERE NOW - I'm always having to review and ask myself if this is entertainment or marketing or worthwhile substance that could be beneficial. "Just hype it baby, the rest will take care of itself"
RW - where did you get your 1-6 from?
SEG - man you are becoming obsessed with that Keynesian stuff. The last 30 years- no matter who's in office the outcome seems to be:
a) deficits don't matter
b) corporate owned politicians
c) ensure the super wealthy and powerful feed at the trough first and for as long as they want
d) cheap easy money for anyone and everyone
Anyone pipe in: Speaking of the problems of generalities: what number of years are you assigning to
short term / medium term / long term
I wish everyone would discuss things more here. I am lonely and this is my favorite place to visit. I only wish I was kidding. Seriously.
Hockey is much better in HD.
Too bad we lost today. It was at least close. Unfortunately, the great white North had a better team.
SEG
don't know how much better Canada was but it was very noteworthy to me the extent to which Canada controlled the puck in OT. Hats off to them--a great game and a fun tourney.
I thought we did ok in overtime. Not as good as the Canadians but ok.
I thought the Canadians controlled the puck a lot better in the first two periods and better overall. But the USA did play with a lot of heart and almost pulled it off. Good game (could have been great if we were luckier in OT)
SEG
Anon 1:11, The list is a somewhat edited version of one from Harry Browne's book, “Why the Best-Laid Investment Plans Usually Go Wrong" - the copy I have is 1989, Fireside Books, but I suspect there are other printings.
Your list is probably closer than most: Those exercising power in a democracy need to be a little more circumspect than your run-of-the-mill autocrat so they'll adopt masking narratives, some of which may involve a particular academic theory if it appears to support a desired policy, but even if some elements of that theory actually do wind up in the implementation mashup there are likely to be elements satisfying other stakeholders working in contradiction.
Investing time-frame? Short, intermediate or long term is going to vary in meaning depending on framework but for me "short" usually means swing-trading territory: weeks to a few months at most. "Intermediate" could be roughly 6 mo to 3 years and "long" is after that but rarely more than 10 years these days even when I am setting up an UTMA/UGMA for one of my younger kin w/ horizons for which that length of time might make sense (a long-term scenario doesn't necessarily require instruments of comparable duration).
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