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Thursday, February 11, 2010

ETFs and Panic Avoidance

A couple of good articles from this week that I think are related. One is from the WSJ titled Even Pros Have Trouble With Buy And Hold and one from the FT titled Chinese fund fillip for oil and gold ETFs which is about the China's SWF that is now using a lot of ETFs.

Or maybe I'm stretching but either way...

The WSJ article struggled to make its point and maybe I still have it wrong but it seemed to conclude that portfolio managers trade more frequently than they plan to because, like all people, that have emotions that they occasionally give into.

Much of what I write about is geared toward reducing or eliminating the role emotion plays in navigating the market. There is a difference here that is worth exploring. Emotion can come in the form of a complete meltdown where everything is sold in a panic after a big drop and of course this same sort of person might then realize they were wrong and buy back in after a big move up. People lose a lot of ground with that type of action.

Another emotional response I have mentioned quite a few times that is far less damaging is sacrificing one name to the market gods just to make yourself feel better during a market panic. Selling a holding that comprises 2-3% of the portfolio at the low would in hindsight turn out to be a bad trade but it is not ruinous behavior. The consequence of this small sacrifice is reasonably missing out on a couple of hundred basis points so with the rally from the March low it wouldn't really matter whether you bounced 48% or 50%? However anyone riding the market all the way down fully invested who then panicked out completely in March has a big problem.

If the WSJ article even isolated anything interesting or is drawing the correct conclusion it is no doubt obvious the role narrow exposure ETFs can play in helping with this issue. Anyone reading this site for a while know I believe in using mostly individual stocks with a few ETFs but stocks require getting two big things correct; the theme and then the way you access the theme whereas with an ETF you need only be correct about the theme.

Recently I disclosed swapping out of Monsanto (MON) and into Market Vectors Agribusiness (MOO). MON started out as the correct stock in the correct theme and then became the wrong stock in the right theme. Picking the wrong stock now and then goes with the territory. If the wrong one is picked too frequently then maybe the strategy needs to change but picking the correct theme is easier, obviously, and realizing what other segments, if any, also benefit is easy as well. Note that this simply creates a tailwind not a guarantee of success.

A theme usually won't implode unless there is widespread market panic, like a year ago, but a stock can implode at anytime. To the WSJ article when a stock implodes there then is extra work to try to assess whether the stock pick was really an incorrect one or not and after a big drop in that stock the process might be clouded enough by emotion to influence the incorrect action. Under normal market conditions an ETF is likely to be down less than possibly gone-bad stock pick and up less than a home-run stock pick so either way there is less chance of emotion clouding judgment. We are collectively probably wired to better handle a narrow based fund dropping 15% than a stock dropping 25% (obvious statement).

I can appreciate that this entire post may be obvious but if you have been a broad based index investor and are starting to think, as I have for years, that success in the next decade will require going narrower but you do not want to make the leap to individual stocks then ETFs are probably your best shot and the above, obvious or not, might be the right mindset to have.

18 comments:

Anonymous said...

Roger,
great point and very exclicit example with Monsonto. Etf gives you an edge since as you saied individual stock can implode easily.
This bussiness is very difficult and must thank you for your blog in bringing good ideas. If I may I like to leave a message for MikeC.
Ilike to make some points from Soros Alchemy book:
Trend followers will be the ones that will have staying power in this market. During changes of trends there is high volatility.
My observation: I have made a blue print of the market with excel software, and these are the following observation: 2000 peek was a higher climatic effect than the high of 2007. The cxlimatic low of march/2009 has been the highes climax low for all data observation(1968-today). Where are we today: we are at 18/07/1975 look at what happen before and look at what happened after.
Must go, have to take my family out and pick up the car, cannot explain fully.
Best,
Jeff from Milan, Italy

Anonymous said...

ETFs are safer than stocks especially for the individual investor.

Large index funds are not as bad as you think, but good focused funds can be better. PROVIDED there is sufficient liquidity in the focused funds.

Anonymous said...

The problem with "themes" is that they can be assembled using faulty premises. Once someone has convinced themselves a "theme" is tradable, there is a strong bias to accept information that supports the theme and reject information that refutes it. Research has shown that this behavior can be as destructive as the person who sells at the low.

An example would be farmland. I have seen farmland used as an investing theme several times. The usual argument is that farmland is a proxy for agricultural commodities. In my experience, the value of farmland has barely kept pace with inflation and is extremely illiquid.

How about T. Boone Pickens' theme of investing in renewable energy and natural gas. Seemed so obvious at the time, yet other factors led to the theme's demise.

Perhaps the most troubling aspect of "theme" investing is having to have a tradable theme to begin with. What happens when a really good idea cannot be identified, yet the market as a whole continues to march on? Is that investment capital in cash waiting for it's manager to come up with an idea? And for diversification's sake, many investment themes have to exist at the same time.

So for the person who is not able to regularly identify profitable investing themes, buy and hold isn't such a bad alternative.

Anonymous said...

Has any one done any research that you know of involving buying duopoly stocks such as pep and Ko as a strategy to cover an area and lower volatility and stock choice.

Anonymous said...

Just an update for everyone.

I wrote last week about WSJ's subscription renewal rate of $116.55 per quarter. Today I was offered $51.87 per quarter for print (6 days a week) and online. I don't get what they're doing, but just say no to excessive rates and they'll offer something better.

Anonymous said...

Roger, to your point about some flawed thinking at WSJ. Having been a reader for over four decades, I have come to believe there is more and more of this kind of "journalism" there. Sometimes I get the feeling I am reading the print version of Fox News. ( I know it's Murdoch's baby now). For me, I have decided to dump the WSJ in favor of significantly better sources of information, your blog included.

Anonymous said...

I renewed my WSJ subscription (print, 6 days/wk) a couple of weeks ago for $162.00

Mike C said...

@ Roger,

Been thinking about this one, and actually posted this on another forum, but curious to get your take, and again hopefully the regular cast here (SEG, RW, Jeff, etc.) will chime in. Actually, probably thinking about this partially due to your influence. I'd say 3-4 years ago I was primarily about asset class diversification with some mix of bottoms-up stock-picking, but regular reading of this blog has led me to be more cognizant of top-down thematic issues. Anyways here is the question I posted:

Over the next 5-10 years, out of the next 3 categories, which category do you think will show the most dispersion/least homogeneity of returns across the category.

In terms of #2 versus #3, I am particularly interested why you think one over the other. Where possible, please share your thought process/reasons beyond just answering the question.

1. U.S. market capitalization – Large vs. Mid vs. Small

2. U.S. sector – Consumer Discretionary vs. Utility vs. Energy vs. Technology vs Financials, etc.

3. International country – Brazil vs Japan vs Canda vs U.S. vs China vs. South Korea ,etc.

I am a regular reader of this blog, but maybe I missed it, but I don't recall you mentioning whether going forward you thought country selection or sector selection was going to be a bigger driver of returns in the quest to outperform say 50/50 SPY/EFA.

Roger Nusbaum said...

i have touched on this several times before. I believe country selection will be far more important than the other two. for now there are no obvious sector distortions. underweighting financials was easy thanks to the lessons of the tech wreck. there now no obvious signal like that that will obviously add value. if rates rise that hurts utilities but at less than 4% how much value will that add?

Anonymous said...

MikeC,
thanks for the invite. I have never created a portafolio per say. I either take big position for a few days or a week or am in cash. Going foward 5-10 years takes lots of courage and experience. When I was in my 30's I was a floor trader and that style has not left yet, I only started to get back in in 2007. More than 20 years have passed. In 2008 I took such a big position in Jblu that when I closed out that position it took a whole day for the bank to execute. What I do is look at sector descrepencies(reccomended by Roger) and have noticed that energy is one of the biggest sector so I am staying away. Financial and tech look like they are the underwait. So in the next 5 years I think that they will do better. In terms of countries I have just started to look at brasil, HongKong, China, Australia. I do not feel confortable since I do not know any fundamentals about countries. What I look at is not anly for stocks but can do for anything if something is cheep or expensive. If something is going bust or something is about to implode. I have built a mathematical model that allows me to see these phases. But again nothing is certain.
Mike, going back to the blueprint, what is showing me is that the market is driven by feer more than greed. The fenomenon big climax on the downside happened in and around 26/5/1970, 4/10/1974, 19/10/1987, 23/7/2002, 20/11/2008-6/3/2009. As you can see these things do not happen every day. The driver is more feer than good fundamentals or logical thinking. The up climax happened 29/11/68, 5/1/1973, 20/11/1980,6/5/83, 11/8/87, 8/8/89, 12/1/91, 6/1/99,9/10/2007. These may not be price highs/lows, but psychological climatic points. This tells you that a new climax either down or up is not likely to happen within the next year or two since they have already happened very recently. One thing the bias during 70-2000 is up and from 2000 to today the bias is down. So can we see another big down move in say 3 years from now. I think that is possible since the bias of the market is down. Meaning too many people have gotten burned in 2000 high, and we keep on getting many problems that undermine big expectations. When thse expectations are eradicated then I think that a real bull market is likely to start.
RW, can perhaps give us a better picture as to what is likely to happen in the next 5-10 years. He strikes me as one of the smartest people that I know with a university background to articulate this better than anyone I know. Seg also has a great feeling about the market since he picked up shares at such bargain prices that left all of us behind.
Best,
Jeff from Milan, Italy

Anonymous said...

The use of themes, sectors, countries, and avoidance are the teachings of Roger over the past several years that I've followed the blog. It's been difficult for me to use the thematic approach successfully,and I think I'm beginning to understand why. Themes require you to make assumptions that preclude the influence of disruptive forces to the presumed outcome. For example, the use of horizontal drilling has disrupted natural gas markets through increased low cost supply. I've recently read an article on SA about the use of subterranean geothermal that could be disruptive to nuclear, coal, and alternate energy sources for electrical production. These disruptive technologies or their equivalent social changes make it difficult for me to create successful investment themes. Sectors and countries have been much easier for me to understand and work with as building blocks. Same for tools such as SDS, inverse rate curves, and avoidance of over valued sectors. The recurring statement from both Roger and Hussman about avoiding a large loss is more important than scoring a large gain has worked well for me, and I'm thankful for their teaching me that protecting gains is an important part of building wealth. Mike C: I vote for door number 3. The countries will have more dispersion. I listen closely to Roger and Bill Gross for how to keep away from potential IED's.
Thanks for your hard work Roger,
Sam

Anonymous said...

Roger,

Below is a link to a paper from the Journal of Financial Planning that explores the use of a 12 month SMA strategy. The authors conclude a retiree's SWR can be increased using the method. From my perspective it supports what you advocate, so I thought it might interest you.

I am a firm believer in buy, hold, and rebalance but I am open to new ideas. By the way, I'm a long time reader and antagonistic (in a constructive way) poster.

http://www.fpajournal.org/CurrentIssue/TableofContents/ASimpleStrategyforPortfoliosTakingWithdrawals/

Roger Nusbaum said...

Sam, thank you for the kind word.

anon thanks for the link, i will take a gander

Anonymous said...

Don't know why the whole link did not show. I will try again,

http://www.fpajournal.org/CurrentIssue/TableofContents/ASimpleStrategyforPortfoliosTakingWithdrawals/

Roger Nusbaum said...

long links don't fit for whatever reason;

here it is shortened;

http://bit.ly/aC3b7t

Anonymous said...

Don't know the whole link won't paste.

Here's the title of the paper,

A Simple Dynamic Strategy for Portfolios Taking Withdrawals: Using a 12-Month Simple Moving Average

Anonymous said...

From the paper referred to above, the following quote gives me the most cause for concern for the methods Roger promotes,

"A period of high monthly return volatility (from high positive monthly returns to high negative monthly returns and vice versa) leading to a whipsawing effect, not long-term market trends, is the biggest potential weakness in the 12-month SMA approach."

I wonder what the outcome would be if instead of 100% in or out, they were 80% in vs 20% in to minimize the whipsaw effect?

It would be refreshing to see some more peer reviewed academic papers along these lines.

Anonymous said...

MikeC,
one the things I was reading was that every so often there is a down draft on equities. Commodities are generally the other way around. Meaning that the bigger climax tends to be on the upside. So in the creation of a portfolio I would also include a portion in commodities. This of course would have to be reaserched.
Best,
Jeff from Milan, Italy

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