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Wednesday, October 14, 2009

“The long run is a series of short runs.”

That is a quote from one of two articles I found earlier in the week that each hacked away at the idea of stocks for the long run or phrased differently that stocks are always the best performing asset class.

Short post today, we are headed up to the Grand Canyon (two hours from Prescott) right after the close so my day is compressed somewhat.

The quote came from this article at MoneyWatch and the other article was by Jason Zweig at the WSJ. In coming at this I would suggest a healthy dose of skepticism because of the timing of when these questions are being asked which is after an especially bad decade for equity returns and an especially good 27 year period for bond returns. I am more than open to the idea of portfolio management evolving by necessity but I think the answer is closer to investing more into other parts of the world as opposed to giving up on equities.

One point I do not quibble with is the extent to which the timing of retirement versus stock market cycles can be simply a matter of luck. But to the extent that is true it is not a new concept. This is along the lines of saving for a child's college education and getting out of stocks completely or almost completely when the child turns 13 which is to say appropriate asset allocation given the totality of a person's situation.

Unfortunately this thought contradicts with something else that is just as important that I've been writing about for a while. A healthy 60 year old today realistically needs to plan for 30 years maybe more. At a 3% inflation rate (an example not a prediction) expenses go up 50% in 15 years. Loading up on fixed income with below normal yields simply will not get the job done in terms of the payout being too low and if yields normalize the fixed income products bought now will drop in price. Yes individual issues would mature at par but many people rely exclusively on bond funds which have no par value to accrue back to.

This is clearly a big problem, potentially anyway. In past blog posts I've tried to address this with two portfolio ideas. One is the willingness to adhere to an objective defensive trigger point; reducing equity exposure when the S&P 500 goes below its 200 DMA. The other idea is not so objective and may never happen but if there is every a repeat of the 1990s in your portfolio (the S&P 500 went from 353 up to 1464) then just take some money off the table. Monster decades happen every so often just as horrible decades happen. Odds are that after a monster decade we are closer to a horrible decade and vice versa. The 2020s may not be a decade where world equity markets quadruple but if it is, I say if, then take some off the table permanently. At that point you may or may not have enough money but after a decade of quadrupling but we would probably then be closer to another horrible decade.

13 comments:

Anonymous said...

You spend ooddles of time trying to diversify into stuff even if it may be illiquid. But you spend very little time trying to determine when to over weight or under weight equities.

The 200 dma is valid but simplistic (both positive and negative).

After a monster decade take money off the table. This has some wisdom to it, but is almost meaningless as far as when to implement in practice.

It would seem to me that you could and should spend more time developing strategies for when to over or under weight equities even if the percentage change was not dramatic like others might choose.

Stephen Drone said...

"But you spend very little time trying to determine when to over weight or under weight equities."

I assume you don't read this blog much. heh.

Anonymous said...

Higher highs and higher lows.

Halloween indicator will signal the start of the seasonally strong period soon. This bull should be rather strong.

Anonymous said...

Stephen,

I read the blog a lot. Roger still owns SDS since somewhere around S&P 880 if memory serves me correctly (I am sure my recollection is not perfect).

Buying and holding SDS in a rising market along with low reallocation to equities since moving above 200 dma (his trigger not mine) does not seem to show much effort in market timing.

Matthew said...

I think this is the same Anonymous poster who barbs Roger every other day for not being long equities 150% :-S

Mr. Anonymous, I am honestly interested in your model portfolio allocation these days. How would you recommend that a friend allocate their assets right now?

Anonymous said...

Matthew,

90+% equities preferably mostly foreign equities

Anonymous said...

BTW, I think Roger is very talented and has many positives going for him or I would not be reading his blog.

We all make errors and I just feel missing this bull market is an error many are making.

Bill B said...

Probably the same anon poster who barbed him for not quadrupling down on the SDS when we were at the bottom. [yawn].

Hey Roger, if this doesn't violate any client rules, I'd like to get your opinion on something. I would assume (and maybe I'm wrong) that folks come to you with their existing portfolio and ask you to manage it. Next assumption is that their existing portfolio is wildly different than what you've advised and they've agreed to. How does that get rectified? I understand taxes and deviation probably play a factor, but is the goal to get them their ideal portfolio ASAP? If possible, would you sell all non target holdings to and buy target holdings on the same day? Or does this run over a matter of months.

For example, say new client X came to you today with nearly 100% bonds. Would you liquidate the bonds and buy stocks/ETFs today?

Again, apologies if this violates any relationships. Not looking for specifics, just rules of thumb perhaps.

Thanks.

Roger Nusbaum said...

BillB

your question is vague enough. were there to be a situation where the asset allocation where that far out of whack I would want to correct that quickly. If someone came in 100% bonds and they should be 50/50 I would suggest getting half way there right now and the other half on the new year if the tax consequence was an issue. If this same person came to us in March instead of Oct then it might not be as easy to figure.

As for the rest of the thread here today. Dudes; everyone back on their own mat.

I covered all this very recently. The weighting of SDS is such now that on a day SPX is up 1% it might be a $300 drag on a $1million portfolio. The drag gets smaller if the market keeps going up. Further, the things I've added have some pretty good beta. Second, as discussed years ago and continued as a consistent thread I set out to smooth out the ride when markets are most volatile. YTD, well let's just say I'm not flat.

The harping is redonkulous insomuch as I've gone over all of this several times along the way.

Anonymous said...

Bill B,

You may not like my comments and you may try to dismiss me with a yawn

But, the S&P is up 20+% this year
the Nasdaq is up 37%,
and I am up 50% (mostly foreign exposure)

so say what you will I have been advocating more equity exposure for quite some time to help people on this blog not hurt them.

Bill B said...

Roger, thanks for the response, that gives me some ideas.

Redonkulous ... lol ... had to look that one up.

Anonymous said...

The bull everyone loves to hate. Isn't that an endorsement of the Bull??????????

Anonymous said...

"...but when it does, man do I love that feeling."

He is talking about a trade going his way.


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