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Tuesday, October 27, 2009

China Is Getting Complicated

I've been writing about China's ascending middle class as an investment catalyst since the start of this site. Quite predictably the story on the ground has been playing out either as fast we thought or slower than we thought but it is happening. The eye-popping number of how many cities are being built, how many have 1 million or more people, all the build-out connecting those cities, all the resource hoarding, all the exporting and all the buying of US treasury debt are all part of the story.

We've all known about the water and air issues for a while, the Sichuan earthquake revealed some of the humanitarian short comings, there will be policy mistakes, as mentioned the other day the country faces a serious demographic problem 15-20 years from now and the latest (that I saw anyway) is that Andy Xie has a commentary up laying out a day of reckoning that might be ten years away based on the demographics and the end, or slowing down, of "urbanization."

One point I have tried to make repeatedly is that while I unambiguously buy into the stuff from the first paragraph it is going to be a lumpy ride and will not be a one way trade. As much as I buy into it, long time readers may recall I was out for a little over a year (June 2007-August 2008). I'm in now with China Mobile (CHL) and recently I added the iShares Emerging Market Infrastructure ETF (EMIF) which is about 1/3 China/HK.

The risk factors or flaws or whatever you want to call them seem to be getting a little more play these days which is good thing. China is a great story but there are risk factors and while I do not know how many 70% declines there will be over the next ten years there will be a few that are at least 30%.

There have been more and more products created to allow access to Chinese-related stocks and there will be more including GlobalX having filed for six sector funds and EG Shares having more funds to roll out which will be heavy in China. I have been very consistent in wanting to avoid financials and export related stocks and focus on areas where money must be spent.

I recently wrote an article for theStreet about the iShares Clean Energy Fund (ICLN) which is heavy in China but just about all the Chinese stocks are solar names. Chinese solar has been popular for trading but it is possible that money will not have to be spent on solar, it may turn out that other forms of alternative energy "wins." That is not a prediction I simply don't think the world knows whether there will be a big winner here or whether there will many different technologies employed. If solar does not "win" then tech, for the most part, in China will not be a good place to be.

Above I spelled out where I want to be China-wise for the time being. Consistent with the areas where I think money must be spent could be the consumer sectors. I've not sorted this out completely I have to say but it does seem logical that as the middle class continues to grow that consumer stocks, both staples and discretionary, would do well. Of course this could also bring in soft commodities as a play on better nutrition. If Fonterra ever goes public that might be a way to benefit from improved Chinese nutrition as opposed to investing directly in it. To be determined at a later time.

A lot of the ETFs have exposure to China in areas that may not be ideal (areas I think should be avoided actually) which means that people may want to consider individual stocks. I realize not everyone will be comfortable with that but there are a lot stocks from many sectors and while poor stock selection is a realistic risk out and out fraud and a stock that goes to zero overnight is a very low probability.

11 comments:

Anonymous said...

I recall the Indiana Jones movie where Indiana is faced with a Middle Eastern thug who is an obvious master of techniques with the sword. Indiana Jones looks at him, shrugs, takes out a pistol and shoots him dead.

Economically, politically and militarily as I look forward, China may be the "Indiana" as former world powers dither.

China ultimately will take what its wants to minimize internal challenges through a combination of power pushes.

AAlan said...

I tried individual Chinese stocks for awhile, but the volatility kept me a little dizzy. Of course, I was gunning for the fastest growth, so that's to be expected. I found a mutual fund with an outstanding ability to play China and other Asian markets (DEAAX), and outsourced most of the decision making. At the moment I have added a bit of YZC.

Speaking of which... the H-shares index ($HSCEI) is up +70% YTD, FXI nearly tracks it at +60%; DEAAX is up +135% (!), while CHL is flat. Do you have any misgivings about your stock selection?

Roger Nusbaum said...

I do not know DEEAX and I do not want to own Chinese financials (FXI is very heavy) so I don't have "regrets." CHL either turns out to be the correct choice or not but regret seems to be more of an emotion and I try to remove emotion from every part of the investment process. Not every holding will work out and there is no way to know ahead of time what those will be.

Matt said...

I see CHL's ytd performance as close to how the real economy and the middle class story have performed.

The ETFs have performed in a bubb-ulous fashion. Not to use the word bubble or anything. Government stimulus in China and big money investment from the US with commodity price strength. Look out for a combination of the weak USD and the pin-wielding Party.

If anyone is interested Grantham has his q3 letter out. It is required reading in my house. (Yes I live alone.)

Mike C said...

If anyone is interested Grantham has his q3 letter out. It is required reading in my house. (Yes I live alone.)

I'll emphatically second that. This one is a real gem. He excoriates Bernanke, Geithner, and various other parties, and has a bunch of insightful portfolio recommendations.

Number 1 - Overweight high quality blue-chips which are cheap relative to everything else

Anonymous said...

Roger, why do you believe that going to zero is a low probability? We've watched large, established companies (AIG) collapse. Why would the collapse of a stock in a volatile, central gov't controlled, corrupt, environment be low probability?

Roger Nusbaum said...

any company can go to zero, i've written that countless times but the number that flame out spectacularly like WCOM, AIG and so on is tiny. there are thousands of stocks and the last year has had what I believe to be a very high number of failures, only dozens.

Anonymous said...

A dynamic in China which is not talked about is their one child policy impact on the demographics of males/femals...there are a lot of young men who have no chance of marriage due to selective abortions which favored male children.

schtoonkmeyer said...

My fav China ETF is HAO. Volatile - yes for sure. But I believe (similar to US markets during our growth times) that small cap will beat other investment themes there in the long run. Comments?

Roger Nusbaum said...

the assumption that small caps in other countries will outperform large cap may not be faulty but I have no data about foreign small cap but I imagine the fund providers do.

schtoonkmeyer said...

past two years hao vs gxc (a down and up market) hao has slightly outperformed (< 10%) gxc but with way more volatility.

My theory is, assuming that China is in a growth phase over the next ten years, that, at least in the past, in many markets including usa, small cap will beat overall market. But who really knows?

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