Tuesday, August 18, 2009
The Next Big Thing For ETFs
Well, what I think should be the next biggest thing for the ETF industry anyway... On Squawk Australia on Tuesday morning (Australia time) a company called Fortescue Metals (FMG in Australia and maybe FSUMY on the US pinks) made a lot of news because of contract negotiations with China. If you watch CNBC Asia you might have heard of Fortescue before otherwise probably not.
Fortescue is one of a zillion, by my count (ahem), of small or mid cap materials companies out there that are not easily accessed by US based investors. As I say small or mid cap they may not be that small in their own country, for example Yara International (YAR in Norway, YARIY on the pinksheets) has an $8 billion market cap according to the Businessweek quote page which is big for Norway but doesn't make it big enough to make a dent in the iShares Global Materials ETF (MXI) which some clients own.
Buying MXI or the similar WisdomTree International Basic Materials Fund (DBN) is a reasonable way to build the materials portion of a diversified portfolio, better in my opinion that the Materials Sector SPDR (XLB) which is heavier in US chemical companies which I think is less compelling. If you buy MXI or DBN you are going to get a lot of BHP Billiton, Rio Tinto, BASF (also a chemical company) and Anglo American which some clients own.
There's nothing wrong with those companies and by extension those funds but there are plenty of other interesting companies in the materials sector out there. You can get a sense of what is out there by looking at the holdings page for each fund, specifically at the names that make up less than 1% of each fund. If you look at the company websites of some of them you will see some interesting things going on.
Even beyond the fund holdings there are interesting stocks; somehow Israel Chemical (ICL in Israel ISCHY on the US pinks) isn't in either MXI or DBN unless I missed it. The company is not exactly obscure, it is the second largest holding in the iShares Israel ETF (EIS) at 10% of the fund.
You might be thinking hey if you can get Israel Chemical through EIS why doesn't Roger shut his cake hole. This brings up the idea of secondary effects of ETFs or other funds that can be proxies for reducing cap size at the sector level. iShares Peru (EPU) is 65% materials so that could be a proxy in this context. The Colombia ETF (GXG) not so much as that fund is heaviest by far in financials.
Perhaps the EG Shares Metals & Mining ETF (EMT) should have a seat at this table. It invests in emerging market materials companies. Either of the coal ETFs could also partly fill this role and we haven't even talked about the many smaller, but real, companies in Canada.
My thought with this though is accessing a broad swath of second tier, maybe that is a good term, companies from both developed and emerging countries. Funds like this could be a way into to parts of the market that can be difficult to access for several reasons with individual stocks and are too small to move the needle in the existing ETFs.
I think the idea of mid cap sector ETFs (or whatever better name anyone can offer) could be applied to quite a few sectors but not all, at least I don't think all of them. I will try to talk this up at the MoneyShow this weekend if any ETF representatives are there and I also know one or two people that work in the industry so I'll try to reach out to them. If you are a person in the industry reading this and you want to discuss it more please reach out to me and we talk chat it up further.
Fortescue is one of a zillion, by my count (ahem), of small or mid cap materials companies out there that are not easily accessed by US based investors. As I say small or mid cap they may not be that small in their own country, for example Yara International (YAR in Norway, YARIY on the pinksheets) has an $8 billion market cap according to the Businessweek quote page which is big for Norway but doesn't make it big enough to make a dent in the iShares Global Materials ETF (MXI) which some clients own.
Buying MXI or the similar WisdomTree International Basic Materials Fund (DBN) is a reasonable way to build the materials portion of a diversified portfolio, better in my opinion that the Materials Sector SPDR (XLB) which is heavier in US chemical companies which I think is less compelling. If you buy MXI or DBN you are going to get a lot of BHP Billiton, Rio Tinto, BASF (also a chemical company) and Anglo American which some clients own.
There's nothing wrong with those companies and by extension those funds but there are plenty of other interesting companies in the materials sector out there. You can get a sense of what is out there by looking at the holdings page for each fund, specifically at the names that make up less than 1% of each fund. If you look at the company websites of some of them you will see some interesting things going on.
Even beyond the fund holdings there are interesting stocks; somehow Israel Chemical (ICL in Israel ISCHY on the US pinks) isn't in either MXI or DBN unless I missed it. The company is not exactly obscure, it is the second largest holding in the iShares Israel ETF (EIS) at 10% of the fund.
You might be thinking hey if you can get Israel Chemical through EIS why doesn't Roger shut his cake hole. This brings up the idea of secondary effects of ETFs or other funds that can be proxies for reducing cap size at the sector level. iShares Peru (EPU) is 65% materials so that could be a proxy in this context. The Colombia ETF (GXG) not so much as that fund is heaviest by far in financials.
Perhaps the EG Shares Metals & Mining ETF (EMT) should have a seat at this table. It invests in emerging market materials companies. Either of the coal ETFs could also partly fill this role and we haven't even talked about the many smaller, but real, companies in Canada.
My thought with this though is accessing a broad swath of second tier, maybe that is a good term, companies from both developed and emerging countries. Funds like this could be a way into to parts of the market that can be difficult to access for several reasons with individual stocks and are too small to move the needle in the existing ETFs.
I think the idea of mid cap sector ETFs (or whatever better name anyone can offer) could be applied to quite a few sectors but not all, at least I don't think all of them. I will try to talk this up at the MoneyShow this weekend if any ETF representatives are there and I also know one or two people that work in the industry so I'll try to reach out to them. If you are a person in the industry reading this and you want to discuss it more please reach out to me and we talk chat it up further.
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7 comments:
Excellent Idea
I frequently take the side of ETF investing for most small investors over your advocating individual stocks. This idea would be a great way for small investors to get access to mid cap foreign equities.
I think the money would flood into the right ETFs.
seg
Can't find any reason to disagree with more diverse exposure via ETFs. It makes sense strategically and from an efficiency standpoint.
Good article. Prospecting for stocks such the few you pointed out today makes for good reading.
My primary concern is investors who don't regularly follow what they buy. More obscure stocks (and ETFs) probably should not be in their world.
Of course, having a competent financial advisor who is able to articulate more eclectic investments would allow for a portfolio containing more than the standard vanilla investments.
T
Roger,
I often have a hard time getting financial info on foreign stocks. Any hints on this.
Best,
Jeff from Milan, Italy
Jeff, the best way is to probably call someone with a bloomberg terminal. I just mentioned the Businessweek quote pages as being a very good source and the company websites.
I love the small-sector ETF idea, in theory. In practice, though, there are a lot of specialized ETFs like this that are not liquid enough to trade easily, or track their index well (not to mention probably losing money for the sponsor).
Better access to foreign markets for trading local stocks might be the more practical solution.
Ironically I own both of the stocks you mentioned. They have been great performers.
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