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Friday, August 21, 2009

Don't Fear The Reaper

A good thread busted out in the comments on yesterday's post. A reader asked me to weigh in on my concerns about inflation (hyper or otherwise) and the status of the dollar. Another reader asked for my take on financial stocks and REITs.

So let's roll 'em up and dive in.

The current event has been surprising to me in its magnitude. The things I relied on to be underweight financials (the sector's weighting in the SPX and the inversion of the yield curve) warn of problems they don't say anything about magnitude. Simply heeding those warnings means not having to be correct about magnitude. I only held one REIT across the board, Equity Residential (EQR), which I sold in late 2007. Other trades in the sector included a swap out of Barclays (BCS) and into Santander de Chile (SAN) in December 2007 and then I bought Chicago Mercantile (CME) very far into the bear market but it still went down a lot after I bought but has come way back. I still have one Australian bank and one Canadian bank that are bull market holdovers that I hope to hold forever but if they do something like buy a Merrill Lynch I wouldn't hesitate to sell it right away as was the case with BAC.


So that is the background for anyone new. Going forward I have given up on REITs as diversifiers. While it is true that correlations across the board went higher during the bear the correlation of REITs to financials seemed to go up very early on as opposed to closer to the end like a lot of things did. Not that I will never buy one, just that I have lost faith in their ability to offer diversification.

I am a couple of percentage points underweight versus the index. Domestic financial stocks have roared back price wise to be sure but I don't think the massive run is justified fundamentally. After going down a ton they came screaming back that is a normal market reaction but I don't really want to put client money into stocks that have no, IMO, fundamental basis for being bought. I have a stock picked out that I expect to buy in the sector that would take me close to equal weight that while clearly a financial is not a bank, brokerage or insurance company--beyond that I'm not going to front run it. I am also open to buying something like Hong Kong Exchanges (HKXCY) for certain accounts down the road but that would be a long way down the road if ever. About all I can say about that name now is that it makes a good first impression (please, do not add 1+1 and get eleven here).

As far as the fate of the US dollar and so on. I have had the same big picture thoughts about all of this for years and they have not changed much because of the crisis. I have felt that the US would have to share its role of world economic superpower. Other countries are growing faster and becoming more relevant in the world economic order; China for all its issues is more relevant than it used to be. This would cause there to be a little less demand for the greenback which puts some upward pressure on US interest rates and maybe gooses up inflation some.

As for inflation I think hyperinflation is off the table. The dollar is likely to have to share the role of world reserve currency. This means that plenty of countries will still need, want and use USD. Allowing it to hyperinflate hurts everyone so it is in everyone's interest to prevent it. That is not to say that inflation can't go up to a point of being quite uncomfortable but hyper seems very unlikely.

Since first putting this together in the early days of this site we have seen rates panic lower as the financial system came closer to a meltdown than people thought possible. My idea for interest rates was something close to 6-7% for long rates but we now have further to travel to that point which means the discomfort of that adjustment could be more uncomfortable.

I would point out that all of these things are likely to play out over many years. Indeed I believe this entire decade will be viewed as part of one massive but slow moving adjustment.

Regardless of the particulars I think the outcome will be similar. This not doomsday but more of a headwind the result of which, IMO, will be below normal returns for US equity markets which isn't that horrible because we've already been living with that for ten years. I've been saying we need to increase foreign exposure for years and I think that will continue to be the case. While this has been correct thus far it has also been a very obvious conclusion to draw and I believe no less obvious now.

14 comments:

Anonymous said...

Roger,
I was a trader(only for two years) when I was young and in the states. Recently since 2007 have traded and noticed that for this work one needs smarts, patience, and timing. Roger you have all of them. Great calls.
Best,
Jeff from Milan, Italy

Anonymous said...

Hey Roger. Meaty post today, thanks.

Your observation on the Hong Kong Exchanges reminded me of the article in Barron's this week on MSCI Inc. (MXB) Truthfully, I'd never thought about the MSCI indexes from the standpoint of an investment opportunity, but this seems like an interesting way to capitalize on the trend toward foreign investing without having to bet on a particular country or foreign stock.

I know you're not one to tout stocks, but I'm curious if you've ever given the MXB approach any thought?

Thanks!

Roger Nusbaum said...

i thought the MXB article was interesting for the same reasons i think you did. if you think the index are something people have to have (and there is a reasonable argument that way) then is becomes even more interesting. i don't own it.

Anonymous said...

Hi ROger:

There was an interesting article written by a Wharton professor (actually chairperson of the Wharton Real Estate department, I didn't even know they had one of these) on the behavior of REITS in the last year. TO parpahrase him, he stated that REITS historically have a beta of .5 (prior to the meltdown), and as a result of this lower volatility they generally sell at a premium. When the meltdown came and the beta of REITS approached 1 (along with everything else), the previous premium that invetors paid for REITS was no longer justified; as a resut REITS went down even more. Anyway, the full article is at Knowledge At Wharton. I found lots of other interesting observations in there as well... http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article.cfm?articleid=2318

After reading this is appears to me that he is bullish on REITS and real estate going forward, an interesting take from one of the so-called experts...Would be interested see your thoguhts if you read it..

Best , Andrew L.

Kirk Kinder said...

I spent time talking with Lloyd Raines last fall at the ETF West conference (Roger - you probably know Lloyd), and he has done extensive studies on the transition from the British pound to the US dollar as the premiere world currency.

Essentially, he found that it was painful for the Brits, but it wasn't catastrophic. Obviously, the UK didn't fallen into a third world economy. So Roger's idea of a decade of sluggishness as the world slowly moves away from the dollar as the pre-eminent currency is probably strong based on historical precedent.

Of course, that opens it up to a true Black Swan. As his happened in the 1920s until WWII, the world was on a gold standard. This probably ensured a more orderly transfer of power. If the central banks of the world eventually take different policy courses, then the outcome could be much different. If the Fed prints as it has in the future while other banks tighten, we could see a more painful migration to a different standard.

AAlan said...

About your photo:
Not being a pop/rock music follower (more jazz-oriented), I don't recognize the band in the photo. But in case anyone is puzzled by the guy standing in the back with strange objects in his hands, he's using a drumstick to play a cowbell. Very common in Cuban or Latin music, not so much in rock or country.

Roger Nusbaum said...

the picture is a still from a Saturday Night Live skit. That is Will Farrell on the cow bell and Chris Parnell (I think that is his name) as lead vocal. This is the skit that spawned the phrase "more cow bell" along with several other hysterical one-liners.

JuicyGirl said...

this whole cowbell thing is very funny

Max said...

Roger,

I know at one time you were long PCL. This is a pretty good read in response to a recent Barron's article dissing timber REIT's.

http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=40570222

Roger Nusbaum said...

thank you Max

Brian Barker said...

Due to the failing dollar, there has been proposed a new "World Reserve Currency" also likened to an Esperanto currency.

Less there be any misunderstanding of this can I suggest your readers have a look at http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_YHALnLV9XU Professor Piron was a translator with the United Nations in Geneva.

A glimpse of Esperanto can be seen at http://www.lernu.net

Anonymous said...

Going forward I have given up on REITs as diversifiers.

This statement shows your recency bias. Tisk. Tisk.

Anonymous said...

I do not like the dollar

But I do not trust the Chinese

You are crazy if you think I am going to accept some kind of world currency.

Euro is good, but there are not enough of them, it has not been around long enough, and I am not sure spain, italy, and greece can afford to stay in the euro.

The dollar may be at a point in time where it should be replaced, but we do not have any replacements yet.

We are stuck with the dollar until a replacement emerges naturally. You can not manufacture trust in a fiat currency.

Anonymous said...

Roger is a pro. He outperforms on a daily basis. Never lost a penny.

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