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Sunday, November 09, 2008

Sunday Morning Coffee

Although there weren't a ton of comments left on yesterday's video post it appears that quite a few people seem to be on the road to giving up on the stock market.

If you are thinking about that, aside from my thinking that long term that is a catastrophic mistake, I would say to wait until the market makes back a meaningful chunk of what it dropped and while you're waiting try to figure out how to save more money.

Barron's really outdid itself this week with a couple of very interesting articles.

First up was an interview with Donald Coxe from BMO Financial Group. He outlined several longer term themes. He likes all things food as part of the ascendancy theme (this is a term I have been using for a while but he did not use that word). Each successive generation in emerging markets is larger than the previous, they are demanding more high-protein food (he specifically mentioned milk, beef and pork) and more and more they can afford better nutrition. He said he likes fertilizer stocks, the genetically modified seed stocks and the farm-equipment stocks.

He also likes energy, noting that delivery for 2015 is trading near $90. Although not stated it seemed like he was tying in the notion of US using 25 barrels per capita, China using two and India using just under one barrel.

He likes base and industrial metals for a recovery. He said that copper always doubles as the economy recovers. I don't know about it doubling but copper historically turns up big before just about everything else in a recovery.

It seems to me the best investors can spell out their ideas very plainly which is something I admire and try to emulate. The more complicated a strategist or the like makes something sound the more suspicious I become.

The other article I really got a kick out of was the cover story about the rough shape college endowments might be in. The timing of the article is kind of funny because I wrote up something very similar about the Alaska Permanent Fund for TheStreet.com which ran on Friday.

The Barron's piece touched on declines is assets traded on exchanges, taking appropriate markdowns on their private equity and other illiquid investments and that some of the smaller endowments may have created a lot of problems for themselves by trying to emulate Harvard and Yale. There was a comment about timberland being bid up in a frenzy by a bunch of endowments stemming from Harvard's long disclosed investment. The take away from the article is that many of the endowments are down 25%.

Endowment funds and sovereign wealth funds fascinate me. I write about them a lot on the blog and for theStreet.com. I think I say the same thing about them every time which is we can learn from them but emulating them is a very bad idea--apparently even for some of the other endowments. My point has been that we cannot be privy to the timing or have access to the managers.

All of the endowments profiled along with average educational endowment compiled by Bloomberg have in the neighborhood of 20% in hedge funds, a wide range in private equity allocations with an average of 7% and an average of 10% (much higher for Harvard and Yale) in real assets which can include illiquid assets. Just using the average the endowments have 27-37% in illiquid assets (again much higher for Harvard and Yale). The logic for this is spelled out with a quote from David Swensen who notes that endowments have suitably long time horizons to go heavy in this stuff.

One suggestion from the article that is a point I have made before is that maybe the endowments should focus less on the alternative assets and more on the basics. The low correlation effect stopped working a while ago (in most instances) and now many of the endowments have a portfolio full of diversfiers hedged with some public equity exposure.

Where I think we can learn from these funds is by learning about what they do, then picking one or two things, maybe three to work into your portfolio after proper study. Absolute return strikes a cord in me so I have a couple of percent or so in a fund. Jack Meyer convinced me years ago of the merit of a little timber exposure so I've had a bit of Plum Creek Timber (PCL) for quite a while. The other one I have stuck with is a small weight to commodities.

Some of the other things like private equity might be right for you or not but I think you should learn about all of them and as implied in the paragraph above use only moderate weightings.

11 comments:

Anonymous said...

The dogs provide local color; Don't sweat it. Regarding yesterdays post and comments, no one likes to lose money. There has been an education process promoted by mutual fund experts like Lynch and Bogle, that short term the market will flucuate, but over longer term periods (seven years and more has been frequently stated), that you are safer in stocks to protect your retirement from inflation. Lynch even stated that only stocks, not a iversified portfolio of stacks and bonds, were needed to achieve a retirement goal. Diversification into overseas markets came into the picture about five years ago. Buy and hold was also heavily promoted by the financial experts/media( it still is) as a better option than evaluating the state of the economy or an individual holding or a sector. Noneof these rules has proven true. The level of dissappointment among the general populace is uunderstandable. The last ten years have not delivered the promised returns. The likelihood of the next five years delivering a recovery sufficient to make up for the loss of about half of the capital value of the portfolio plus anticipated appreciation is not likely either. This is the source of the resentment, bitterness, and despondancy that you sense. Very few people have the sophistication of Leisa or most of your other bloggers for managing risk. Their retirement resides in a limited number of mutual funds or company stock choices. They have been told repeatedly to leave it alone and not micromanage the allocation or the choices. You should understand that your clients are the exception to the rule. They are reasonably sophisticated and smart enough to know that you are better suited to managing their money actively than they are. They also have the choice to do so, something that the majority of americans do not have. Sorry for the rambling. Hope you can get something out of this post.

Sam

Anonymous said...

I was also intersted in the Barron's article on GM. While I think that the US automakers are largely responsible for their current situation, I do appreciate the difficulties they face with an unlevel global playing field and credit crisis. I also live in the rust belt and fear the consequences of their going bankrupt.

How do you feel about a government bailout, Roger? I know you can't give specific advice, but do you consider the automakers toxic investments, should a bailout materialize? Chrysler made it work before. Could history repeat?

Thanks.

Stephen Drone said...

Shouldn't you people be in bed?

Anonymous said...

lol. Still haven't adjusted to the time change. I actually think we need Roger to move to the eastern time zone.

Roger Nusbaum said...

Sam, all fair game but I would add, WRT to the next five years that historically bounces after ugly declines can be very big, very fast and come out of nowhere. Such a move could easily take value declines from unbearable to well within tolerable.

GM is complicated (aren't they all?). I am no expert here but what is different now for the autos versus when Chrysler was bailed out? I would think the legacy issues (pension and other retirement issues) would be far more daunting today. The last time I looked, and it has been a while, GM had $300 billion in debt and I think $15 billion in equity.

The unions are being portrayed as not willing to give an inch. Is this true? Won't they have to give some to save the company?

I don't know much about the reaility of the domino effect of what happens to suppliers and dealerships should GM and the like fail but that seems plausible to me and all of a sudden we have 15% unemployment (I made that number up don't know if it is close to right or not) which changes the game.

It is easy to say no bailouts but the government helped create the problem and so I don't know what is right but I do know I am not a buyer of any car companies.

Anonymous said...

Roger,

Regarding the auto companies, I've heard there's something along the lines of 1:5 to 1:10 "add-on" ratio, meaning that every direct job supports between 5 to 10 jobs downstream.

Anything I can ever recall reading about the woes of the US industry, talks about the legacy healthcare and pension liability problem, which is much less of a problem for any auto mfg. based in a country with a universal/national healthcare system. Was listening to the radio news on Friday, and supposedly the unions are ready to do "whatever it takes" to help save the US mfgs. Maybe something along the lines of an ESOP would help, along with the "bridge loan" the mfgs. are seeking.

Have been watching PCL for quite a while: its gotten "cheap enough", now...

As always, good stuff, Rodger!

jan

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know if Yale and Harvard are still with the sort of "alternative" asset allocation which has now been co-opted by so many other institutions and individuals? I would not be surprised to see Swensen, if not others, move into other areas as the crowd starts to copy their strategies...

Ajw

Roger Nusbaum said...

you can find that on their websites.

HMC recently posted its 2008 report. when I looked earlier in the week, Yale had not posted its report yet.

the reports are as of june 30 so we may not know about any changes for quite a while

Anonymous said...

Peter Schiff on the auto industry

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4sLx5O_3M0&eurl=http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/023881.html

Anonymous said...

And then there were none...

http://www.financialsense.com/Market/cpuplava/2008/1105.html

Anonymous said...

Yale was up modestly around mid-year which means their absolute return and hard asset managers earned their fees... hard to know where they are with their asset allocation now but the bottom line for Swensen at least is that its really not about asset allocation... its about having the smartest managers who are required to put their net worth on the line in exchange for some handsome incentives... if the Yale endowment changed nothing about their asset allocation they could still do quite well between their absolute return and hard asset categories which are more than 50% of their mix... if the managers started shorting or going against the grain early enough they could do quite well where individual investors copying the same asset allocation ideas would be out in the cold... despite what Swensen writes about, his achievements are all about the skill of his managers, not his asset allocations... go ahead and hold Longleaf Partners as he advises... or a static mix of ETF's... you will feel superior all the way to the soup kitchen...

Ajw

http://opa.yale.edu/news/article.aspx?id=6041

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