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Friday, September 05, 2008

The Day After



The video is from yesterday afternoon from the Waipi'o Valley (yes it looks similar to the Pololu video from the other day).

Yesterday was nasty for the market. There were also a couple of comments left on the blog that I think belied some sort of emotion presumably caused by the market action of late. The reader was not happy with something I wrote. While I am not exactly sure how I ticked him off he seems to think that the deleveraging that is underway will mean something much worse than a normal bear market (please keep in mind I am trying to read between his lines) and I think he thinks I am not getting what is happening.

This is all pretty simple in a way. It will either be worse than normal or it won't. But the financial mess is now more than a year old, more like a year and a half old. I have been writing about having a defensive stance for over a year now. Plenty of other bloggers have been opining about the bear market we are now in for many months as well.

I said in a post on December 13 that I thought a bear market had started and I don't think I was alone back then. In chronicling the bear market I have used the term feel good rally 19 times during this calendar year (not including videos). Plenty of other bloggers have talked about bear market or sucker's rally and bear market/sucker's/feel good rallies all give way to more declines. This is all normal stuff that requires no analytical acumen whatsoever. Additionally, people always forget how scary past events were and always believe this time is worse than the others.

At this point this is a very old story. Getting upset after 18 months of lead time...where ya been? If you are going to manage your own portfolio you need to think ahead. Getting upset now implies no plan of action having been implemented, no plan for defense and no forward looking thought.

If you think this time is different, the bear market market will be worse than normal, then you should have taken action months ago which would rationally head off being upset at the pass.

I have disclosed my actions and positioning many times in the last year; quite a bit more cash than normal and a position in SDS. This has been the case for about 13 months. The big macro has been the goal of missing a big chunk of down a lot. If the market keeps going down the size of the SDS should grow relative to the rest of the portfolio thus creating a bigger hedge on the way down. You can check the end of quarter videos if you are curious about the result.

I am still in the normal bear market camp which would be about 30% down from the peak; we are now 20% down. Optimistically speaking I think the market could bottom in Q1 2009 but I will begin to reequitize when the SPX goes back above its 200 DMA. I don't really care if that happens next month or two years from now. As a quick note equities will likely turn up for real well before economic fundamentals turn up.

You can leave all the emotional comments on blogs that you want but this bear market, like many others rolled over slowly giving plenty of time to implement some sort of defensive action. Hopefully you have heeded the textbook nature of how this bear has been unfolding (many bloggers have written about this including me) and you did what you had to (even if that means no trades) to avoid getting upset.

Now onto that jobs number.

15 comments:

Anonymous said...

"I don't really care if that happens next month or two years from now." I do!! Have a great time in the valley and thanks for posting even in paradise.

Anonymous said...

"Getting upset after 18 months of lead time...where ya been? If you are going to manage your own portfolio you need to think ahead. Getting upset now implies no plan of action having been implemented, no plan for defense and no forward looking thought."
Roger, that must have been my "worse half" that posted the
upset comment to you he wouldn't listen to you (or his wife);-)
Thanks for all you do for us...
and enjoy paradise:-)

Anonymous said...

Roger,

First I want to say you give excellent advice IMO.

I was not the one who got upset with you but I do think this bear market is worse than you anticipate. I have felt that way since July 07. None the less your advice is still better than most.

I have left urls to other blogs in comments like Mishs blog that I find to have excellent perspective on the current issues. While your advice is excellent I do not think you get other peoples emotional perspective either.

I am sorry I did not pick up some shorts before yesterday, but it just did not seem clear to me and 99+% cash seems pretty defensive.

Anonymous said...

Oh! Was there a big down the other day? I didn't know. The World is still turning, people are still going to work and it's still raining here in the UK. I haven't looked at my investments for a while now - they're diversified between good funds and lousy individual stocks (read homebuilders, banks and retailers) where I bought too early - 30% down?? They're oversold!!

I just don't see the point in worrying if I'm well diversified (different countries and sectors plus some commodities) and I can't see into the future or time travel. All I've done is follow the advice of a few bloggers I trust because they have a LOT more experience than I do. What else can I do except that?

Anyway, September is always a lousy month where the strong hands look for bargains after the summer. I wonder, Roger, does the Big Money conspire and fund-raise during their summer holidays?

Roger Nusbaum said...

Conspire? They way CNBC portrays it all the hedge funds are in the same trade (I have no idea). If they are in the same trade then there is a keeping up with the Joneses that is important to their ability to be competitive.

Everyone into the pool at the same time and everyone out at the saem time?

Dave said...

Roger,

I totally agree with you. It's funny how short term people's memories can be.

Out of curiosity, when WOULD you start beginning to think that this is anything other than a normal bear market? In other words, what signs would you be looking for that would make you begin to think we're in for something worse than average? I'm not saying that we are in anything but a normal bear market. I'm wondering what future signs would make you start believing that this is something worse?

Incidentally, I cannot believe I saw more permabulls on CNBC this morning advising the audience to BUY NOW!!

Anonymous said...

http://finviz.com/news.ashx

beach reading..

Anonymous said...

oops...here is the link
http://tinyurl.com/64pg92

Roger Nusbaum said...

Dave,

If normal is 30% from the peak, there must be a reasonable plus or minus to be in the range of normal. Maybe the plus or minus s/b be 5%? If you say 3% or 10% I have no argument.

The price action, as always, will dictate what really is right here. FWIW, hopefully I do convey my not really caring about being right or wrong. My thought process has been this will be about normal (has been the case for ages now) in par because part of why markets cut in half is about psychology, and the fear of cutting in half is still fresh from just happening this decade. Cutting in half has occurred when the cut in half psychology is not fresh.

Anonymous said...

roger, I see SDS has also had quite a ride, both up and down.
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ta?s=SDS

Do you trade SDS or just hold it?

Roger Nusbaum said...

mostly just hold it. I disclosed taking a few points out of it into the Kerviel panic and am ready to do that again if that sort of panic presents itself again.

Anonymous said...

me thinks the panic has just arrived....
afterhours

Anonymous said...

http://tinyurl.com/6q3m6v

Anonymous said...

Roger,

Is my estimate of 1420 correct for the SPX to reach above the 200 day moving average? Can you suggest a good site that tracks this and keeps it up to date?

Thanks,

BWJR

Roger Nusbaum said...

Yahoo finance has it at 1350.

you can check there, big chart, stockcharts.com, any charting site

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