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Thursday, December 21, 2006

Trying To Catch Up

One of our clients is a 401k with multiple participants. They just funded for the year and I have had to implement the new money this week which is as time consuming as it sounds.

So naturally I got a flood of questions on the blog.

First is the ETN/ETF issue. Reader RW left the Investopedia definition that you can read here. I can't really improve on that. As I understand it, the ETN structure makes for friendlier tax treatment for payouts from the ETN as the commodity aspect of the older ETNs would make for unfriendly treatment if they were ETFs and not ETNs.

The last I heard the IRS had not decided but Barclays believes that the ETN structure as a debt instrument does the trick. From a practical day to day standpoint I don't think the fact that it is a debt instrument means much. Barclays (client holding) is unlikely to default on its paper. If you think otherwise then you should not buy any of the ETNs.

As for why the India product is an ETN, I think I read somewhere that it has to do with the foreign ownership restriction of Indian shares but I have not really dug into the product. For my clients that have Indian exposure I use IIF which I have held for more than three years for some folks and so I am very comfortable with it. India is tricky (subjective opinion) and in this case I like the track record provided by the fund. INP might turn out to be the best way to go but I don't feel the need to figure that out on INP's second day of trading.

One last thing on ETNs was a question about whether or not they should be in IRAs for tax reasons. The ETNs each capture a certain effect, commodity, India, whatever. In my opinion you should focus on the effect being captured and not the taxes as a first or even fourth priority. Commodities can be volatile, where do you want that volatility? This is very subjective and I know taxes are the first priority for a lot of people but that is just not how I view it.

A reader asked for my opinion on BLDRs Asia ADR 50 Fund (ADRA). Based on the comment I'm not sure exactly what he was asking but the fund is 60% Japan, I have no interest in owning Japan, something I have been saying since the start of this site. My Asia exposure includes China, Vietnam, Taiwan (in just a couple of instances) and Australia (Oz is its own continent but seems to lumped in with various pan-Asia investment products).

The last thing was a question about distortions on charts caused by large ex-dividend reductions. It seems like the free chart sites (which is what I use) don't usually smooth it out properly. If you have to have undistorted charts you will probably need to pay for it. Sometimes the free sites do account for this properly but I don't feel like I can rely on them to do this. I don't pay up for charting as I use charts more to help confirm as opposed to driving the bus.

8 comments:

RW said...

OT, or maybe not given your reference to retirement accounts, but check out http://www.yieldsz.com/ : A semi-amusing and sobering New Years message purportedly from Sam Zell who recently sold his $36+ billion real estate bubble to the private equity bubble (hat tip to 'B' at http://timinglogic.blogspot.com/).

Roger Nusbaum said...

Greg Newtontold me about this one.

For anyone wanting to check it out it takes a while to load but it is very funny.

Anonymous said...

Question:

if "the value of the ETN may drop despite no change in the underlying index, instead due to a downgrade in the issuer's credit rating" does this imply that the value of an ETN will increase despite no change in the underlying index, instead due to a upgrade in the issuer's credit rating?

Long time reader

CA

Roger Nusbaum said...

While technically this could be true, the nature of ETFs (I realize I am using an F and not an N) is such that divergences of a certain size away from the index get arb'd away very quickly.

As a practical matter this is unlikely to be an issue.

If something really different happens at Barclays then maybe it could matter but I am thinking something very extreme.

This has to do with reasonable probabilities as opposed to what is technically possible, JMO.

Anonymous said...

Roger,
Since the renembe is strenthening to a basket of asian currencies, wouldn't that be supportive of each currency. Yuan strenth (or perhaps dollar weakness) seems like another reason that the US markets trudge higher. Since currencies of countries who export to China are weak compared to the renembe, I would think that all trading partner governments will be pressuring China to weaken the yuan. How would you identify which asian trading partners (with China) currencies will weaken the most relative to the yuan? Leaving the US out of the picture, does the trading partners currency weakening support their equity/property markets? Thanks Tom in Indy

Roger Nusbaum said...

Tom in Indy, I am not following.

The yuan is getting stronger because the Bank of China is letting it get stronger.You say it is getting stronger against a basket of currencies (it is stronger against the yen but wekaer against the Sing dollar).

I know Vietnam exports to China but cant find a char to compare the yuan and dong. Australia is another exporter to China and the Aussie is up against the yuan. I don't knwo that Oz necessarily wants a weak yuan but a stable yuan which it sort of has been, where Australia is concerned.

The US can't be out of the picture as a function of size. Exporters to China allow for China's exports to the US in a manner of speaking.

Anonymous said...

I'm trying to make sense out of a lot of things I don't know much about. I like to latch onto a 'holy grail' type of explaination or idea. The idea of the renembi being strong against a bunch of asian currencies who are China's trading partners was easy for me to believe but not necessarily correct. If it was easy to manage money and follow world forex trades anybody could do it. But thats why we pay people to understand this stuff and advise us what to do. Thanks Tom in Indy

Anonymous said...

So Roger, What did you invest in this week with the 401K money??? You went in a circle, But did not give the funds, etc that you picked up. It would be nice to hear them now.

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