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Friday, July 07, 2006

Out In The Blogosphere

Bill Cara has an interesting post up called Surviving A Market Meltdown in which he says he expects the Dow to drop by 20% in the next couple of months and he also gives some specific idea about how to position your account during this move he is expecting.

I know that Bill is good at getting the direction right, I do not know his track record for being right on magnitude (not saying good or bad, I'm saying I don't know).

Here is the list of what he says to do (I used fewer words);
  • Buy index puts on up days
  • Sell popular stocks with high RSI and relatively high p/e ratios
  • Sell stocks with visibility for bad earnings
  • Scale back core holdings on up moves
  • Don't write puts unless you really want to own the stock
  • Avoid emerging markets now, be ready to buy soon
  • Increase precious metals exposure on pull backs
  • Buy junior mining stocks that meet very specific criteria
  • Buy high yield bonds of "solid" corporations
  • Buy high quality income trusts
  • Buy a short term ladder of CDs
  • Hedge the dollar with the loonie
There's a lot there. The one about buying high yield bonds of solid companies doesn't seem correct. There is plenty of very low-risk yield to be had in the mid fives. If he is correct about the magnitude, he is talking about a 20% decline in just a couple of months after all, I would be inclined to think spreads would widen (meaning treasury prices go up, prices of other fixed income products go down or some combo of the two).

I may not want to do all of the others he suggests but the points made are good ones. The reason why I am writing about this at all is to show there are different approaches that should be explored and understood.

I write about taking process from different sources to create your own process.

My process for trying to game something like this would be to continue as I have been writing about, I have reduced exposure, I have talked about adding a double short fund and next week I will be adding a currency ETF for clients before the ZIRP news next Thursday ( I will write about that next week when I do the trade) all with the hope of missing a big chunk of a big decline.

At this point I don't think a 20% drop from here is in the cards (not that I have to be right). There is a fair bit of concern out there. In the current environment I think that big of a drop so soon could come from an external shock (which is always possible) or after a move higher from here that causes amnesia about all of the problems that confront the market these days.

I am on board with caution and a poor market climate but for now I don't see 20% down. To be clear my ego is not such that I will go down with the ship. I don't care about being right, the best thing for clients, IMO, is if I can miss a chunk of a big drop.

I think Bill's time frame is shorter than mine which makes for a different process and approach. Neither is better than the other. The answer for you might be in the middle.

6 comments:

ray g said...

Roger-My experience with Bill Cara is that he is pretty much spot on in his analysis. He has picked the top and bottom on gold recently. I have been reading his blog for about a year now....he is one to follow imho.
Ray

George said...

Hot Air.

That's what Bill Cara is all about.

First, if he really believed down 20% was coming, why in the world would you invest your money in all those different things in the mean time. Why not just short the market. Period. No Laddered CDs, nothing. Just SHORT.

Secondly, let's see how his money is invested. If he is long anything except gold or some Proshare short ETF, then he is blowing smoke.

g

Anonymous said...

1) Because his overarching goal may be to look for a future opportunity to go long, which is different than trying to make money on the downside.

2) If you go short and you're wrong...

Anonymous said...

These are hard decisions. How defensive or how bullish should you be? If you make a bet in the wrong direction, it hurts. If you take the middle ground, you feel as if you have settled for mediocrity. If you second guess and change course, you could do double damage. I would favor not falling in love with any scenario, be nimble, have a back up plan, and have/accept the choice of being able to steer a middle course. The last part can be considered a technical skill. Hedge fund managers use traders who know how to use algorhythmic equations with the cool of a jet fighter pilot. It's not like making a collage, collecting a little bit of that.At least, I'm under that impression. I speak more from the experience of being frustrated by the mkt. In theory I like the combination of fundamental analysis and TA, but the talking heads can skew my perception and spin what turns out to be wrong. So, TA is my fall back. And, TA does support a major move down sometime in late summer early fall. But, I won't fight the trend. The hard part is not staying too long. Roger shows nice flexbility and well informed choices. A lot of clients could get hurt again by other managers that hold onto the bottom up approach/i.e buy-hold value stocks; not very many of them are warren buffet. And, the new buy hold game are life style mutual funds; an easy sell to retirees. Today, I'm glad that I already have decent yearly gains, 7.5....not great,but ok, and can enjoy collecting 5.06 mm interest. Cash is king, and maybe foreign cash is even better. Question: What kind of interest do you collect if in yen, pounds, euro, etc?

ray g said...

George-you may want to check out his site before talking junk about someone you obviously know nothing about.
JUST SHORT? What do you think puts are? what do you think he means by saying you should sell stocks....hellloooooo.
Ray

Roger Nusbaum said...

to the comment in between RayG and George.

Interesting point about settling for mediocrity. If you look at the Trader's Almanac, exclude the second half of the 1990's, you will see that most years are mediocre or worse, like 2005 was.

It seems like there are two or maybe three really good years every decade like 2003. Unless you are really nimble, you will have mediocre years most of the time.

IMO if you miss half of one big down move in your investing lifetime you will come out way ahead over time.

If you buy any of the currency ETFs you get an interest rate that is equivalent to the overnight rate of that country.

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