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Tuesday, May 23, 2006

What Can Be Learned Here?

A persistent reader left the following comment.

Roger and everyone??,
REAL question. I own funds that have been killed in the last few weeks, as has everyone, BUT some of them like my Latin America, Russian and Emerging Market funds {All rated 5 stars} are down almost 20% in those few weeks. Is their a end in sight??? Why are these markets getting killed more then domestic? I am down 8% or so domestically, but nothing like what has happened with foreign. Thoughts and ideas???? Do I hold on all the Foreign funds or sell into the panic {which I know is stupid unless it keeps getting smashed}?

OK, there is a lot there. It seems, but there is no way to know, that this person has assigned a fair bit of emotion to this. My initial reaction is that this person has too much volatility for their own comfort level, down 8% on domestic seems like a lot when compared to how much the S&P went down.

That his emerging market funds are five-star means nothing to me. When you buy into different parts of the market you are capturing certain effects, for better or for worse. If emerging goes down by X, you have to expect that whatever you own in that area is going to be close. A couple of individual emerging market stocks I own for clients did a little better than the ETF I use, which I find interesting. One of the stocks I use did almost the exact same thing as the ETF.

Capturing the effect is why you own it in the first place. Perhaps you own too much?

The reader asks why this is happening to emerging markets. As an asset class they went up a lot. Emerging markets are likely to do better (this may be more about perception and be short lived) with a the dollar a little steadier than it has been. Recall the dollar puked down for 71 days in a row (or thereabouts) which contributed to the emerging market dislocation we just had. A weaker dollar is OK, the move down was quite severe which I believe (not an original thought) dominoed into the emerging market stock decline.

The reader asks if he should sell. Right now this stuff is all up a lot today. If he owned things he could sell during the day I would tell him to reduce right now, 45 minutes into the day. This has nothing to do with forward looking analysis, my take on the email is that he owns too much, emotionally. Further I don't think this person has any type of exit strategy at all, which I think is a big mistake, given the tone of his comment.

I was very open about the timing of how I reduced my exposure in this part of the market. The sales in April look good for now and the partial sale yesterday of IIF looks bad for now, goes with the territory. Good or bad hopefully the limited role played by emotion came through in the writing. The IIF sale may appear to be one of emotion but I decided over the weekend that I would probably sell and confirmed it when the market opened.

Hopefully you can learn from this person's experience.

5 comments:

Anonymous said...

I have no Idea whether this individual should sell or not.

I lost a bunch. A little in emerging markets, most in asia and the rest mostly US.

I do not like corrections (who likes loosing a bunch?) but, I am still up 4% for the year.

Can you really time every 7 to 8% correction in the S&P 500? Shouldn't we expect double that correction in higher volatility areas of the market? Are things really that bad?

I can not gurantee we do not hit the peak, but i do not think we have. Even if we have peaked shouldn't we get more than a 45 minute bounce?

You have to take emotion out. You have to be able to deal with corrections.

Otherwise dollar cost average into total market indexes and never sell. Not sexy, but it will beat panic sellers by a wife margin.

KL

Anonymous said...

This probably is more emotional advice than financial advice, but anonymous has himself in a pickle by not watching his Beta.

If you sell all, or you hold all, you can make a big mistake, depending on what the market does.

But, another possibility is to cut it in half - when you decide its time to take action - - sell only half. That way no matter what the market does - - you are only half as bad off as you could have been.

Hope this helps.

OG

Anonymous said...

I was the persistant reader {45 and in for long term}, the funds I got whacked on was Eastern European, Asia and latin America {as I said all were 5 star and all had performed greatly over the last year}. They had imcreased greatly in the last year, BUT they all went down 20% in the last week. I am owning these funds about 1 year and I wanted to keep them longer, But the correction is a lot and I wanted some feedback on whether anyone thought the above areas could go down even more. It was most people's opinions recently that emerging markets was the place to be. then the **** hit the fan and now what? Ride the wave if in long term? Is the foreign funds on a steady downturn or is this my panic??lol

Anonymous said...

One thing you can do is go to rsikgrades.com and plug in your portfolio. It will tell you your overall risk level as compared to the broad market. It will tabulate the risk exposure of each position so you can trim the most risky ones if you intend to do so. I am usually aiming for a portfolio that is 60-70% as risky as the market by selecting high return to risk equity funds.

High Alpha

BB said...

Usually when things like this happen, it triggers people who manage funds to sell at certain level ...all at the same time (Roger just said he did it himself)... and the selling gets uglier. Then greedy people step in selling more. Just a story. Don't take it seriously. If you know what you do why worry.

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